happyboy

xian, i'm wondering.....assuming the manifested entity before you passed all the tests you sent It's way, and confirmed to your deepest contentment that It was, indeed, the Lord God, and It ordered you to go kill a bunch of people in your local mcdonalds with a sawed-off shotgun, would you?

remember, now, this entity has proven Itself without a shadow of a doubt as your Deity.

and before you go off on some tangent about how your God would never ever in a million years order you to murder some customers at a mcdonalds, please re-read your old testament. God sure had no problem with the ancient israelites butchering women, children, and old men.

so, would you, if ordered by your God, go into a busy mcdonalds and start blowing people's brains out?

a very curious happyboy

BadBadBad

Xian,

Items 1-6 in your phase II list. How do these apply uniquely to the Christian God and not Allah, IPU, or Satan? This God entity absolutely positively demonstrates all of your items in phase I and phase II. You are absolutely CERTAIN. What are you CERTAIN of? It is in fact with no doubts whatsoever a god like entity. Would you obey the IPU and murder people or just the christian God? It seems like rather than exclude God, murder would help you identify God. The IPU would never ask anyone to murder. He is absolutely moral and all loving.

Be very very careful Xian. You are faced by an almighty omnipotent and omniscient god. If you don't handle this scenario well, this GPB-like entity might turn you into the IPU. Worse yet, we're talking eternal hell fire here. If you go with Allah or Satan, you're in big big trouble. On the other hand, your God is a vengeful God, he might not take your lack of faith, requests for magic tricks, or questions about his morality very well. I think you have to admit this would be quite a sticky situation.

fishbulb

I just want to make sure I have this right:

You believe that there is a God, and that this God is the only God there is.

But, you would apply MORE critical skepticism before obeying a command from a being, even one who demonstrated obviously great power that it would be difficult to attribute to anyone other than a God, than you would before obeying a command written down in the Bible?

You are willing to accept what is written in a translation of a translation of an edited compilation of ancient books whose authors are largely unknown and whose stories passed through many hands belonging to many people with many motives before ending up in their current form, but you would be less willing to accept what is said by the mighty avatar of a being claiming to be God?

xian

what trick? i know of no trick that can predict your free thoughts. i have seen a lot of david blaine also. never have i seen a trick similar to what I described.

here, let me "Baloo-ize" my trick to bring it to the atheists level:


i am standing alone, while you are 10 feet in front of me. at no time is contact made. i search my pockets, they are empty.

at no time is contact made.

you tell me to look in my pocket, there I find an envelope.

but no contact was made.

befoer I open the envelope, you tell me to inscribe on the sand in the ground a 32 digit number with my right hand, while firmly grasping the envelope with my left, which I do.

at no time do you approach me....

at no time is contact made.

i open the envelope.

32 digit number matched.




repeat for a 128 digit number.

xian

yes.

u do have that right. gj.

xian

Q: what am I certain of?

A: That I am an inferior being and darn well better obey what this being says, who controls space and time itself, and who has brought me uttter joy, bliss, and inner contentment, and a desire to obey His command


"Be very very careful Xian. You are faced by an almighty omnipotent and omniscient god."

Darn straight. Which is why obedience will soon follow.

happyboy

soooooo....WOULD you walk into that mcdonalds, shotgun in hand, if you KNEW God had told you to killkillkill?

a very curious happyboy

xian

i think i have been sufficient and clear enough in my answers to that i don't need to entertain everyone's bloody permeatations of the same question.

cpickett

Xian: Sorry if I upset you at the first, I was just getting at the fact that your list is a lot like an Athiest requires before he will accept any God. As in the recent example of Baloo's 32 digit number.

Even though you accept God you still want him to do a trick for you before you will do what he asks. Did Abraham ask God to do tricks, when God asked him to Sacrifice Isaac? Did Jacob test God before he slaughtered the people of Jericho?

I'm personally glad that you would go through that many tests, I think that is the only rational way to look at it, but I also think that is the only rational way to look at any God.