Danya

Inefficiency is one thing...To hire someone for the purpose of cleaning up the list and doing it even when you are told it's inaccurate is a purposeful violation of rights. It might not seem like much to you now...but it may be your vote and hundreds of others that would have voted like you the next time. Think how furious you would be if someone had deliberately taken your vote away from you.

Loren Pechtel

But Florida doesn't get to say that. It's the decision of the state where the felon was convicted.

beyelzu

each state decides on whether or not convicted felons get to vote, since florida has decided that felons cannot vote, they most certainly have the right to remove felons who are convicted in other states.

beyelzu

I fail to see the deliberateness. If Florida officials wanted to stop black voting, wouldnt it have made more sense to use an effecient system to ensure that no voters who were not convicted of felonies would be purged. After all, that group would be less likely to be african american and thus more likely to be republican.

Sakpo

No, because with the system they used they were able not only to exclude Tyrone Black (convicted felon construct, b. August 12 1977, Tallahasse) but also Tyrone Brun (never convicted of anything construct, b. January 5 1976, Baton Rouge) and Tyrone Black (never convicted of anything construct, b. October 6 1950, Tampa). They were able to get at a lot more blacks never convicted of anything this way, thus excluding far more black votes (legitimate votes), knowingly hitting far more black democrat voters than white voters (be they democrat/republican/other).

By limiting the non felons hit to people with similiar names/data to the felons they were able to get at far more blacks than they would have been able to while avoiding scrubbing as many whites.

beyelzu

Sakpo,

I understand your point.

But where is the proof of deliberateness?


I see evidence of incompetence, and certainly an appearance of impropriety, but unless someone confesses that it was intentionally aimed at blacks, how do you tell the difference between incompetence and an attempt to tilt the elecction in the favor of shrub?

RED DAVE

From Beyelzu:

With all due respect, this is naive. I see no evidence of incompetence. I see evidence of the enormous competence of a group that stole a presidential election. John LeCarre called it a "junta."

It's a question of trust. If, in some way, you trust this administration and its allies in Florida, you can call it "incompetence, and certainly an appearance of impropriety." If you dont trust them, you think elsewise. I think that the course of events since the election has demonstrated just how "incompetent" Bush and Co. are when pursuing their own agenda.

RED DAVE

Loren Pechtel

Personally, I don't think there was anything racist in it. I think it was simple poliitics--purging felons would favor Republicans at the ballot box. Whether the purge was accurate or not wasn't the issue. Whether those purged were white or black wasn't the issue. (Felons normally come from the lower classes and thus are more likely to vote Democrat regardless of skin color.)

beyelzu

Loren, I agree with you for the most part, but I dont think that the purge was aimed at this particular election. I would also like to point out that people are pretending that this is a race issue when it is not



AUGUST SPIES,

Still waiting on that apology man

are the words just stuck in your throat, let me repeat, I was pointing out that mandela was "spewing anti-american rhetoric" and he was.

You ready to admit that yet?

Loren Pechtel

So many people are so willing to ascribe racist etc motivations to actions when simple self-interest will suffice.