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Who's "we" ?

Biff the unclean

The guy is famous for changing the subject and asking rhetorical questions, like whether Easter was named for a Pagan god.
You don't know what a rhetorical question is do you?
There is no question as to whether or not Easter is a Pagan Goddess. There is no question that the first full moon after the vernal equinox was her sacred day. The question is why didn't the Christians change the days name like they did with the day of Mithra's birth?
We wised up last week if you have not.
All we learned last week is that you bitch about quotes being too small and too long to read in the same sentence. We assume that you only do that so that you don't have to look at any evidence. Then you claim it isn't there because you won't look at it. But hey, why not. There's no other way you could possibly stay a Christian.

You apparently disagree that even one mention of it in mid-first-century by a pagan is insufficient evidence.
Thallus was second century, and you don't have a mention from him. You don't have a mention from Julius Africanus either. Just a mention from Eusebius in the fourth century.

..event only lasted 3 hours, so it could have been an eclipse, an unusually thick cloud cover, or both.
For an eclipse to last three hours the Earth would have to stop rotating. If it just got cloudy then why is it mentioned in the gospel?

It's not like we are claiming the sun disappeared from the sky It's not like anyone but you is claiming cloudy weather. But I forgot… if the Earth stopped rotating then that would be the second time in the bible that that happened, so why not? The Earth stopped and the momentum popped those saintly zombies up on their feet.

Amos

It's a metaphor, blondegoddess, to indicate that the celestial ligth became the source of light that overshadowed the light of common day (which is the sun). We/the Catholic church holds that when the everlasting light illuminates us the light of common day will be darkened by it or illumination (the fullness of God) would not be a reward of heaven.

Go to Rev.22:5 and read that "the night shall be no more" and that there will be "no need for the light from the sun." I should add here that the sun does not 'shine light' but that we actually transform sunrays into light which really is just our way of extrapolating light from the celestial light wherefore we must be alive to do this. Yes, this is much like the falling tree argument that produces no sound without ears. So, without the celestial light the light of common day cannot be conceived to exist.

Metaphor dear, that's all it is, and so the sky was only darkened for the beholder of the event who is now in full vision of the celestail light (outside the Cave).

Amos

I am not sure if this is part of the topic but it can be said that the sun stopped twice. The first time at Christmas (birth of Christ) to make the night last to days and the second time at Easter (death of Jesus) to make the day last for two days.

We therefore (as Catholics), celebrate Christmas for two days and this can be anytime during the week, and we also celebrate Easter for two days but this must begin on a Sunday which was the seventh day of the week which is the day on which evening did not follow the day. If this makes Easter last for two days ( from Gen.1 where evening did not follow on the seventh day), it would also count three days between crucifixion and resurrection.

Amaranth

Joshua 10:12-15 also has god stopping the sun.

Biff the unclean

Sunday is the first day of the week and not the seventh...but who's counting. The sabbath of Ahura Mazda, the light of the world, God the father...only not your light and not your heavenly father whose sabbath is Saturday. All metaphor, nothing historic. One God's as good as the other, neither knew that the Earth rotates.

lpetrich

Radorth:
You apparently disagree that even one mention of it in mid-first-century by a pagan is insufficient evidence. I think otherwise.

I wonder when Radorth will publish the original words of Thallus, complete with where he got them from.

It's far better evidence than the arguments from silence we've been hearing. You can't just say "well if it happened, so and so would have mentioned it." The event only lasted 3 hours, so it could have been an eclipse, an unusually thick cloud cover, or both.

Radorth puts down his own creed, by implying that that darkness was a non-event. However, I won't buy this attempt at entryism.

Again I ask. Did Pliny record every single eclipse or extraordinary weather pattern known to have occurred?

He doesn't have to have. However, it was something that had happened to him -- if it had happened -- and he was interested in phenomena like that. And there were several other historians would would willingly have recorded it.

It's not like we are claiming the sun disappeared from the sky.

As I had commented -- pure self-putdown entryism.

Amos

Sunday is the first day of the week only for those who do not yet recognize the first coming of Christ as the end of darkness in our life. In America Sunday is also the first day of the week but that is just an ignorant response to the idea held by the Catholic church that Sunday is the seventh day. In this we regognize that Jesus showed us the way and we can actually arrive there in this life. In all/most of Europe Sunday is the seventh day.

Radorth

Oh fine. Make is an "off topic, distracting question" which effectively derails the thread and promotes your agenda.

Still waiting for those links we asked for, i.e. to back up "all the Christian stories were stolen from the Hellenists"

Rad

Biff the unclean

"You don't know what a rhetorical question is do you?" is a rhetorical question. Don't blame me if you can't follow a train of thought.
I gave you the authors and titles of actual books so that you could understand entire Hellenistic religions. Obviously since I say ALL the Christian stories were stolen from the Hellenists there has to be much more information than the magazine sized articles that fit on web sites. Besides we've seen that you complain when quotes are taken out of context. I've told you where to find the context. Now you complain that books are too big to read. Maybe you should wait for the movie.