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notMichaelJackson · 01-25-2003, 12:37 PM

There is a list of contradictions in the Koran somewhere in the Internet Infidels library. Does anyone know exactly where it is? Just post a link to it if you know. I need it because I'm debating with this dip Muslim named "Green World" at www.sciforums.com.

Thanks.

Dark Jedi · 01-25-2003, 08:59 PM

Moved to Gen Religious Discussions for better exposure.

seesaw · 01-25-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by notMichaelJackson
There is a list of contradictions in the Koran somewhere in the Internet Infidels library. Does anyone know exactly where it is? Just post a link to it if you know. I need it because I'm debating with this dip Muslim named "Green World" at www.sciforums.com.

Thanks.

Be nice to the people on that forum.

Sabine Grant · 01-26-2003, 12:36 PM

I have found it very difficult to argue on Q'ram anytime I was engaged in a conversation with a muslim. Your handicap primarly is that you may not be able to read Arabic. If christians learn and memorize the Bible in various native languages, the islamic scholar will study Q'ram in arabic. Of course your common Iranian will learn in forsi. You will be told that you cannot understand the meaning.

IMO you might want to consider working thru main islamic ideology and point to the effects islamic fundamentalism has had on mankind. Without "attacking" though. Just bring out historical facts.Document yourself on the lives of the prophets Mohammed and Ali.

hinduwoman · 01-26-2003, 06:15 PM

Go to www.faithfreedom.org

There are plenty of materials there written by apostate muslims who know Arabic.
However if your opponent cannot think of any answer you will be told that if you read the Koran in Arabic you will be converted. But the translations are accurate.

Wizardry · 01-26-2003, 09:46 PM

The II Library's page on the Qur'an can be found here.

lpetrich · 01-26-2003, 09:57 PM

Muslims seem to believe that Allah can only speak Arabic. While an allegedly omnipotent being would be capable of speaking every language perfectly.

This raises a serious question about the Koran, and about other supposedly universal revelations: why wasn't it written so that it could easily be unambiguously translated into every other language? Why didn't it include a detailed guide on how to translate the text?

But why would an omnipotent being need to issue a revelation and then run off and hide?

Why not simply implant the revelation into everybody's consciousness?

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notMichaelJackson Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IL Posts: 552	Contradictions in the Koran There is a list of contradictions in the Koran somewhere in the Internet Infidels library. Does anyone know exactly where it is? Just post a link to it if you know. I need it because I'm debating with this dip Muslim named "Green World" at www.sciforums.com. Thanks.

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Dark Jedi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 4,666	Moved to Gen Religious Discussions for better exposure.

01-26-2003, 12:36 PM	#4
Sabine Grant Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 32,364	I have found it very difficult to argue on Q'ram anytime I was engaged in a conversation with a muslim. Your handicap primarly is that you may not be able to read Arabic. If christians learn and memorize the Bible in various native languages, the islamic scholar will study Q'ram in arabic. Of course your common Iranian will learn in forsi. You will be told that you cannot understand the meaning. IMO you might want to consider working thru main islamic ideology and point to the effects islamic fundamentalism has had on mankind. Without "attacking" though. Just bring out historical facts.Document yourself on the lives of the prophets Mohammed and Ali.

01-26-2003, 06:15 PM	#5
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	Go to www.faithfreedom.org There are plenty of materials there written by apostate muslims who know Arabic. However if your opponent cannot think of any answer you will be told that if you read the Koran in Arabic you will be converted. But the translations are accurate.

01-26-2003, 09:46 PM	#6
Wizardry Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 363	The II Library's page on the Qur'an can be found here.

01-26-2003, 09:57 PM	#7
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Muslims seem to believe that Allah can only speak Arabic. While an allegedly omnipotent being would be capable of speaking every language perfectly. This raises a serious question about the Koran, and about other supposedly universal revelations: why wasn't it written so that it could easily be unambiguously translated into every other language? Why didn't it include a detailed guide on how to translate the text? But why would an omnipotent being need to issue a revelation and then run off and hide? Why not simply implant the revelation into everybody's consciousness?

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