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Old 07-20-2003, 09:55 PM   #31
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Magus, those hijackers were working for god.
Actually they were working for Satan. God said thou shalt not murder, Satan says, thou shalt participate in jihad in my name.
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God is not a magic genie who runs to every spot in the world where evil is about to take place and stops it.
Why not, I wonder...

If God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, then he could reduce the evil in the world, if he really wanted to, couldn't he?

He's supposed to be more powerful, all-knowing and kind than any hypothetical 'magic genie,' so why does he choose not to intervene to prevent evil?
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Actually they were working for Satan. God said thou shalt not murder, Satan says, thou shalt participate in jihad in my name.
God has ordered the slaugher of plenty of people. How do you know that they aren't in heaven right now sitting happily amongst their 72 virgins?
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Why not, I wonder...

If God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, then he could reduce the evil in the world, if he really wanted to, couldn't he?

He's supposed to be more powerful, all-knowing and kind than any hypothetical 'magic genie,' so why does he choose not to intervene to prevent evil?
Because humans chose evil over good. How are we ever gonna learn if God just erases evil? Removing evil in the world also affects free will. If you can't commit evil, because God stops it, how can you make a choice to do good? You are forced to since any evil act you might want to do, is no longer possible.
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Because humans chose evil over good. How are we ever gonna learn if God just erases evil? Removing evil in the world also affects free will. If you can't commit evil, because God stops it, how can you make a choice to do good? You are forced to since any evil act you might want to do, is no longer possible.
Sounds better than risking an eternity in hell, doesn't it?
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God has ordered the slaugher of plenty of people. How do you know that they aren't in heaven right now sitting happily amongst their 72 virgins?
Killing people in the name of justice and righteousness, and commanding armies to kill enemies who disobey God is quite different from telling your followers to fly planes into buildings and kill as many people as possible to gain more sex slaves in heaven.
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Sounds better than risking an eternity in hell, doesn't it?
I don't know, do you think it does? Atheists on this board have said they'd rather be in Hell than ever worship God, so maybe He is just letting them have what they want. God told you how to avoid Hell. There is no risk through Jesus Christ.
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Killing people in the name of justice and righteousness, and commanding armies to kill enemies who disobey God is quite different from telling your followers to fly planes into buildings and kill as many people as possible to gain more sex slaves in heaven.
The hijackers were doing what they truly felt, in their heart of hearts, was the just and right thing to do. It's no different from Old Testament slaughter.

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett: the difference between gods and demons is the same kind of difference between terrorists and freedom fighters.
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I don't know, do you think it does? Atheists on this board have said they'd rather be in Hell than ever worship God, so maybe He is just letting them have what they want.
I thought hell was supposed to be a punishment. How could it be a punishment if we want to go?

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Unless you die and the first thing you hear on the other side is "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet."

Then you're screwed anyway, eh?
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I thought hell was supposed to be a punishment. How could it be a punishment if we want to go?
Well some atheists think they will being have an art and secular party down there away from all the God loving people. They may think they would rather be away from God, but the worst part about Hell is separation from God - whether you care now or not. Being Separated from God is like a horror no human can imagine.



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Unless you die and the first thing you hear on the other side is "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet."

Then you're screwed anyway, eh?
But with Allah, its a risk anyway. Allah doesn't guarantee salvation. he says kill people in his name, follow all his rituals, and do good works, and he might decide to let you into heaven. Even if Allah were the true god, you will always being taking a risk since its not a guarantee.

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Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever shall believeth in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
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