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Old 12-21-2002, 03:18 PM   #21
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That Therese Martin, a French nun who died at 24, living 9 years secluded in a Carmelite monestary, is one of the most popular saints of modern times is certainly a miracle.

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Old 12-21-2002, 03:27 PM   #22
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That Therese Martin, a French nun who died at 24, living 9 years secluded in a Carmelite monestary, is one of the most popular saints of modern times is certainly a miracle.

Why is it a "miracle" that Theresa Martin is "one of the most popular saints of modern times"? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Old 12-21-2002, 03:27 PM   #23
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That Therese Martin, a French nun who died at 24, living 9 years secluded in a Carmelite monestary, is one of the most popular saints of modern times is certainly a miracle.
That isn't what I asked.

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All I can say is:

Do people like Gemma and Amos actually believe that this shit really happened?</strong>
I'm catholic and I believe in miracles. However I am not familiar with each and every miracle attributed to each and every saint but I absolutely believe in them...
This one involving Mother Theresa is hard to say it is a "miraculous healing" since the woman was being treated medically..
athiest_in_foxhole: who claims to have caused the earthquake? I am just curious here...
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Why is it that only "believers" see these miracles? Why don't miracles ever occur in the laboratory with neutral observers?

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I'm catholic and I believe in miracles. However I am not familiar with each and every miracle attributed to each and every saint but I absolutely believe in them...
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So you`re not even familiar with the miracles attributed to the saints,but you still believe them anyway? Even though you don`t even know how farfetched and totally unproven some of them may be?

This makes no sense at all to me.

Do you believe in the Loch Ness monster and bigfoot? If you don`t,would you automatically believe they were real if the Pope said they were?
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athiest_in_foxhole: who claims to have caused the earthquake? I am just curious here...</strong>
St. Francis Xavier.
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<strong>So you`re not even familiar with the miracles attributed to the saints,but you still believe them anyway?</strong>
perhaps you should read my post again. I clearly stated I am not familiar with each and every one. I cant comment on the ones that the previous poster used since I am not familiar with those. Perhaps Gemma may know more about those particular saints.

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Even though you don`t even know how farfetched and totally unproven some of them may be?
I don't believe in all of them but I do believe in miracles.

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This makes no sense at all to me.
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Do you believe in the Loch Ness monster and bigfoot?
No and No.

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If you don`t,would you automatically believe they were real if the Pope said they were?
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<strong>Why is it that only "believers" see these miracles? Why don't miracles ever occur in the laboratory with neutral observers?
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The so-called ability to see miracles can buttress faith, and faith is sometimes underpinned by a desire to see divine intervention as proof positive for the existence of a deity. Kind of like how some people actually believe that crop circles are created by extraterrestrials, rather than by very human, but also rather artistic hoaxters.
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Maybe this is a ploy to divert attention from the molestation scandals. Give the faithful something positive to think about.
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