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thebeave · 12-19-2002, 04:48 AM

Looks like our buddy John Paul has decided that Mother Teresa is responsible for the "miraculous" cure of an Indian woman. If I'm not mistaken, this is the incident where the woman's husband has come clean and said that his wife received professional treatment for her medical condition, and that is what made her better. Did JP just completely ignore the facts of the case here? Pretty damn annoying if you ask me.

<a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20021219_81.html" target="_blank">Mother Teresa "Miracle"</a>

12-19-2002, 05:10 AM

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abe smith · 12-19-2002, 06:02 AM

JP *WANTS* to make (sic) MOther Theresa a saint! And it's pretty obv. to the meanest onlooker that he *INTENDS* to accomplish that purpose whatever that costs!
Hence, anyone who takes official RC saintmaking ="canonization", seriously, deserves to have to eat it.....
Gemma want to tell us how many lovingly -married couples have been canonized in the last 2000 yrs? And don't bother citing Mary & Joseph, those representative VIRGIN spice. Sure this is off the thread, & I apologise. I also add that the Roman catholic *sect, sect, sect* has alwiz been Manichaean and hated the human Body and human sexuality. Look at that damned myth of the virgin "Mother" who gave birth to the unfathered, REALLY unfathered, kid. STINK!

Yellum Notnef · 12-19-2002, 06:14 AM

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Did JP just completely ignore the facts of the case here? Pretty damn annoying if you ask me.

Is this a serious question? let`s not forget that we`re talking about a man who has been ignoring facts and living in a fantasy word his entire life.

Nothing that monster does would surprise me.

Amie · 12-19-2002, 06:54 AM

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JP *WANTS* to make (sic) MOther Theresa a saint!

I agree. They'll find the second one they need to accomplish that sometime soon...

Carlos · 12-19-2002, 06:58 AM

John Paul II has canonized more saints than all other popes combined, I think. At the very least he's canonized more saints than all the other popes over the past four centuries put together.

My guess is that this is an attempt to stay the influence of the church by reaching out to his flock. JP2 has traveled a good bit more than any other pope; this reinvigorates the devout in the many lands he has visited. The deal with the saints is similar - it's easier for people to connect with local or more recent saints than those who lived 15+ centuries ago. I see it as a way of giving people something they will enjoy and be grateful for while still keeping a tight rein on more controversial issues.

lunachick · 12-19-2002, 07:07 AM

Ahhh, yes - looks like just another PR exercise to me.

Marketing is the opiate of the masses.

Corona688 · 12-19-2002, 03:21 PM

He wants to canonize Mother Theresa as a saint? Let 'im. What do we care about the internals of the church, as long as they don't interfere with us?

Sephiroth · 12-19-2002, 03:26 PM

Thank goodness I'm not a Catholic anymore.

Vorkosigan · 12-19-2002, 04:28 PM

My guess is that this is an attempt to stay the influence of the church by reaching out to his flock. JP2 has traveled a good bit more than any other pope; this reinvigorates the devout in the many lands he has visited. The deal with the saints is similar - it's easier for people to connect with local or more recent saints than those who lived 15+ centuries ago. I see it as a way of giving people something they will enjoy and be grateful for while still keeping a tight rein on more controversial issues.

Yes, I think JP understands that the 21st century Church will be one based on mysticism and miracles, strong primarily in the Third World where such ideas still have a profound hold. The Catholic Church is going to become radically more conservative, reactionary, anti-science and anti-democratic in the coming years as the Third World Church develops more and more influence within the Church as a whole.

12-19-2002, 04:48 AM	#1
thebeave Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 4,183	Pope accepts Mother Teresa "Miracle" Looks like our buddy John Paul has decided that Mother Teresa is responsible for the "miraculous" cure of an Indian woman. If I'm not mistaken, this is the incident where the woman's husband has come clean and said that his wife received professional treatment for her medical condition, and that is what made her better. Did JP just completely ignore the facts of the case here? Pretty damn annoying if you ask me. <a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20021219_81.html" target="_blank">Mother Teresa "Miracle"</a>

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12-19-2002, 06:02 AM	#3
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	JP WANTS to make (sic) MOther Theresa a saint! And it's pretty obv. to the meanest onlooker that he INTENDS to accomplish that purpose whatever that costs! Hence, anyone who takes official RC saintmaking ="canonization", seriously, deserves to have to eat it..... Gemma want to tell us how many lovingly -married couples have been canonized in the last 2000 yrs? And don't bother citing Mary & Joseph, those representative VIRGIN spice. Sure this is off the thread, & I apologise. I also add that the Roman catholic sect, sect, sect has alwiz been Manichaean and hated the human Body and human sexuality. Look at that damned myth of the virgin "Mother" who gave birth to the unfathered, REALLY unfathered, kid. STINK!

12-19-2002, 06:58 AM	#6
Carlos Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 545	John Paul II has canonized more saints than all other popes combined, I think. At the very least he's canonized more saints than all the other popes over the past four centuries put together. My guess is that this is an attempt to stay the influence of the church by reaching out to his flock. JP2 has traveled a good bit more than any other pope; this reinvigorates the devout in the many lands he has visited. The deal with the saints is similar - it's easier for people to connect with local or more recent saints than those who lived 15+ centuries ago. I see it as a way of giving people something they will enjoy and be grateful for while still keeping a tight rein on more controversial issues.

12-19-2002, 07:07 AM	#7
lunachick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 7,895	Ahhh, yes - looks like just another PR exercise to me. Marketing is the opiate of the masses.

12-19-2002, 03:21 PM	#8
Corona688 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Hiding from Julian ;) Posts: 5,368	He wants to canonize Mother Theresa as a saint? Let 'im. What do we care about the internals of the church, as long as they don't interfere with us?

12-19-2002, 03:26 PM	#9
Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 625	Thank goodness I'm not a Catholic anymore.

12-19-2002, 04:28 PM	#10
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	My guess is that this is an attempt to stay the influence of the church by reaching out to his flock. JP2 has traveled a good bit more than any other pope; this reinvigorates the devout in the many lands he has visited. The deal with the saints is similar - it's easier for people to connect with local or more recent saints than those who lived 15+ centuries ago. I see it as a way of giving people something they will enjoy and be grateful for while still keeping a tight rein on more controversial issues. Yes, I think JP understands that the 21st century Church will be one based on mysticism and miracles, strong primarily in the Third World where such ideas still have a profound hold. The Catholic Church is going to become radically more conservative, reactionary, anti-science and anti-democratic in the coming years as the Third World Church develops more and more influence within the Church as a whole.

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