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Old 07-21-2003, 07:30 PM   #121
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If Jesus bore all of the sins of mankind, how can he be sinless, then? If he had all of humanity's sins, he must have been the most sinful man on the planet.
He was born sinless, and never sinned once in His life. He took the worlds sins to the grave with Him. His blood payed the penalty for our sins. Its Jesus' blood that cleanses us from sin ( spiritually speaking). By rising from the dead, Jesus conquered sin, since the wages of sin is spiritual death. Sin had no power over Jesus.
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Not all Muslims support the Taliban.

Well, i thought at least River did. He made it sound like it in another thread.


I do NOT support the Taliban. The Taliban's Deobandi ideology is diametrically opposed to everything Islam stands for. It is like a virus, disrupting the Islamic community.
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I do NOT support the Taliban. The Taliban's Deobandi ideology is diametrically opposed to everything Islam stands for. It is like a virus, disrupting the Islamic community.
So they are the minority, and not representative of the general Islamic populace, correct? Are you stating that their supporters are miniscule compared to general Muslim thought? Is that a fair statement?
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So they are the minority, and not representative of the general Islamic populace, correct? Are you stating that their supporters are miniscule compared to general Muslim thought? Is that a fair statement?

They are definitely the minority and they do not represent Islam at all. Their Supreme Leader, Mulla Umar believes in an anthropomorphic god. This violates the very foundation of Islam and is considered "shirk (arabic)" or Idolatry. They also believe in suicide-bombing and the Qur'an is completely against suicides. They are intolerant to humans and animals...and on top of this their Leader claims to be the Caliph (Amirul Momineen) or "Successor to the Prophet" ( a title reserved only for Jesus Christ during his second coming in Damascus, Syria). However, it is unfortunate but the Taliban appears to be getting stronger by the day and their false ideology is spreading to certain areas of Pakistan and Iraq.
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He was born sinless, and never sinned once in His life. He took the worlds sins to the grave with Him. His blood payed the penalty for our sins. Its Jesus' blood that cleanses us from sin ( spiritually speaking). By rising from the dead, Jesus conquered sin, since the wages of sin is spiritual death. Sin had no power over Jesus.
If the wages of sin is spiritual death, how did Jesus' resurrection from physical death conquer sin? Was Jesus spiritually dead to? In wich case he was sinful.

Many people take their sins to the grave. According to the bible (Ezekiel 37), they will be resurrected physically. Does that mean that they will conquer sin to?
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They are definitely the minority and they do not represent Islam at all. Their Supreme Leader, Mulla Umar believes in an anthropomorphic god. This violates the very foundation of Islam and is considered "shirk (arabic)" or Idolatry. They also believe in suicide-bombing and the Qur'an is completely against suicides. They are intolerant to humans and animals...and on top of this their Leader claims to be the Caliph (Amirul Momineen) or "Successor to the Prophet" ( a title reserved only for Jesus Christ during his second coming in Damascus, Syria). However, it is unfortunate but the Taliban appears to be getting stronger by the day and their false ideology is spreading to certain areas of Pakistan and Iraq.
The Hadith isn't against religious fighting and killing the enemy. Jihad is the second best thing you can do in Islam according to the Hadith.
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If the wages of sin is spiritual death, how did Jesus' resurrection from physical death conquer sin? Was Jesus spiritually dead to? In wich case he was sinful.

Many people take their sins to the grave. According to the bible (Ezekiel 37), they will be resurrected physically. Does that mean that they will conquer sin to?
Because Jesus didn't stay separated from God spiritually.

Sin separates us from God ( spiritual death), as well as causing physical death ( was no death in the Garden of Eden). Jesus, by being the perfect sacrifice, died, but was restored. Sin has permanently claimed the lives ( or will claim the lives) of all other humans that don't get raptured. By rising from the grave, sin couldn't keep Jesus physically dead, and couldn't keep Jesus separated from God the Father. So, He conquered the effects of sin, and gave believers hope through his death and ressurection, that we too can conquer sin and be reuinited with God through the one Mediator, Jesus Christ.
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Ah . . . yeah. . . .

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1. If the definition of sin is spiritual seperation from god and if that's not possible with Jesus, then it's not possible for Jesus to bear our sins.

2. If physical death and aging (aging is not possible if cells don't die) are also caused by sin and if Jesus grew up to be 30 something and then die, then sin did indeed have power over him.
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Sin separates us from God ( spiritual death), as well as causing physical death ( was no death in the Garden of Eden). Jesus, by being the perfect sacrifice, died, but was restored. Sin has permanently claimed the lives ( or will claim the lives) of all other humans that don't get raptured. By rising from the grave, sin couldn't keep Jesus physically dead, and couldn't keep Jesus separated from God the Father. So, He conquered the effects of sin, and gave believers hope through his death and ressurection, that we too can conquer sin and be reuinited with God through the one Mediator, Jesus Christ.
Ya know, if I wasn't already an Atheist, that would have made me one.
 
 

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