Jagged

<a href="http://www.proaxis.com/~solo/ellis.htm" target="_blank">Advantages of Masturbation By Ph.D Albert Ellis (50 Advantages) 5 pages of Sexual Advantages, Emotional Advantages, Healthful Advantages, Relational Advantages, and others.</a>

That ought to keep you busy for awhile.

Totalitarianist

So you justify masturbation because you believe that everyone masturbates. False. I do not masturbate. If you meant that most people masturbate, that may be true, but most people have likewise hurt another person in anger without a satisfactory justification, as they realise later. People hurt other people in anger without a justification, which they soon realise when either experience brings them to a mature mental disposition, or when the anger becomes less intense, their minds less confused. The conception of a justification based upon the fact that it is the norm is therefore self-contradictory, for all people realise, again, upon recollection, that their fervid anger which resulted in unnecessary pain inflicted upon the object that their angry minds were fixated upon had not a single justifcation, which is true and which all normal people come to realise. If most people eventually come to realise the moral error of the pain they had caused, it cannot be the case that it was justified because of its being the norm; for the realisation of the fact that it lacked a justification is also he norm.

Totalitarianist

I will entertain the first five false advantages of masturbation from the above link.

My reply:

They can help establish the philosophy that [sex with chickens] is good in, by, and for itself; and that there is nothing whatever wrong about experiencing [sex with chickens;] it [is] a fine thing in its own right.

My reply:

They can explore various kinds of [man-boy sexual positions] and discover which ones are maximally satisfying for themselves.

My reply:

3. They can frequently learn, through [bestiality], enjoyable forms of sexuality that they can subsequently use to achieve satisfactory modes of sex participation with [other beasts].

My reply:

The same can be said about chicken mixing or man-boy sexual contact.

The same could be said about about absolutely any source of pleasure; whether the pleasure is good or bad is the question. And it is quite manifest that masturbation is a misuse of one's sexual organs.

This man is clearly mistaken.

sbaii

A lawyer commented to me that many rapes committed by young men might not have happened if they were told that masturbation was all right. I'd much rather have a priest self-pleasuring than using young boys. If not masturbating makes you feel righteous, go right ahead. Just don't get self-righteous about it. There are a lot more serious problems to worry about than whether someone masturbates. Poor Dr. Jocelyn Elders.
It's too bad Clinton was such a d****head. He could have backed her up in her stand on masturbation. In this time of terrible venereal diseases, masturbation should be openly encouraged as a way of relieving sexual tension.

Totalitarianist

Mr reply:

In this time of terrible venereal diseases, [foot fetishism/man-cat sexual contact/a man fondling a sleeping boy] should be openly encouraged as a way of relieving sexual tension.

Clearly, many things can be "openly encouraged as a way of relieving sexual tension" in a time of "terrible venereal diseases".

Oxymoron

Sure as hell is fun though

Do you remember fun, Trebaxian?

Oxymoron

Trebaxian, for someone with a strict moral code who entertains no bad thoughts, you seem to spend a lot of time thinking about venereal disease, sex with poultry and abusing boys.

Seriously, by all means come into the forum to discuss ideas. But all you've done so far is tell us what a clean-living dude you are without advancing a single argument yourself, only pausing to tell us you don't need rationality yada yada. It's not a great platform for a discussion, is it?

Totalitarianist

Done.

False.

I never once said that.

Oxymoron

And I quote:

...this belief owes itself only to the unmovable moral code ingrained into my soul by my fellow creatures, not to reason...

Yawn. You have some beliefs, so what? You are quite free to have and expound them. But I fail to see the point of trying to engage a rational argument having said those beliefs are intrinsic to you and beyond reason. Are you trying to convert us? Feel free to try, but clearly your beliefs are NOT intrinsic to us, so what would be the point?

You are the weakest link, goodbye...

Jagged

I must have missed something... how did we get from masturbation to sex with chickens?

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