Totalitarianist

First of all, I believe that it is wrong because, by means of onanism, we mentally rape people. But I suppose this is not important at all when the question is: Do you believe that onanism, just like oral and anal sexual contact, is the misuse of our organs? and if so, why?

"Lust is called unnatural if one is aroused to it not by a real object but by his imagining it, so that he himself creates one, contrary to [natural] purpose; for in this way imagination brings forth a desire contrary to nature's end. . . ."
-Kant

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galiel

I believe engaging you in debate is certainly misuse of one of our organs...

The Other Michael

Trebaxian Vir,

It would be helpful if you'd define your terms so that everyone is discussing the same thing.

Onan, a subsidiary of Cummins, is a large manufacturer of petroleum-fuel powered generators.

cheers,
Michael
MF&P Moderator, First Class

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Totalitarianist

I am talking about masturbation. Onanism is masturbation.

Jagged

Would you care to expand on this idea?
Do you mean you like sexual fantasies of rape while you masturbate?

Totalitarianist

People who masturbate experience sexual contact with people in their minds without that person's permission.

And I do not masturbate. My life is, contrary to many people, dictated by a moral code.

But this is not important. The point of this topic is this: Is onanism a misuse of our organs, and if so, why?

tronvillain

I was under the impression that "onanism" was the "sin" of spilling one's seed on the ground. Under that definition, I would think that "onanism" encompasses withdrawal and perhaps even contraceptive use as well as masturbation. Anyway, it is ridiculous to use such a loaded religious term when attempting rational discussion, but then one doubts that you desire rational discussion.

Anyway, like most people around here, I have no problem with masturbation or oral sex or anal sex. In fact, I greatly enjoy all of them. Are they a "misuse" of my sexual organs? No, but then I think that their primary purpose is to provide me with pleasure.

Jagged

Holy toledo!

You do realize that the sexual contact of a mental fantasy is not real? Honestly man, if you don't you need to get yourself some help.

If someone else has a sexual fantasy about me in the privacy of their own mind and never touches or says anything suggestive to me, who gives a damn? I don't. I definately do not suffer the effects of rape!!! Holy Gawd.

Also I for one do not usually think of any specific person when I masturbate. What is the problem then?

My body is mine, why should I not use it any way I want? Do you have to justify scratching your head? Masturbation is not even that different, it's another kind of "itch."

Glory

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And people who don't masturbate don't fantasize about other people thus doing the same thing? Or rather not doing anything as the idea of contact without contact is rididculous.



I do masturbate. My life is also dictated by a moral code.



Then why did you mention it?

No.

Glory

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MadMordigan

But how is someone supposed to get sperm for their skin treatments?

The people in one's head when one is fantasizing are not real. They exist only as fictions in one's own head. However, if the people in your head ever do come out and lodge a complaint, I'll quite happily help them lock you up.