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Autonemesis · 07-31-2002, 08:03 PM

Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:

You're not seriously comparing Satanists with pedophiles, are you? I hope not. Whatever Satanists are, they are no more analogous to pedophiles than you or I. And of the people who think they are, they already lump any atheist into the same category.

If you meant that seriously, then I'm actually embarrassed for Ryan, to see that sort of attitude expressed on this site, one infidel comparing other infidels to pedophiles on account of their brand of infidelity.

But I'll get over it.

Anunnaki · 07-31-2002, 08:21 PM

RyanS2

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Where, in print or otherwise, do you see us endorsing showing up with "up with Satanist" signs? Anywhere at all? No? I already know what I'm there to do, and that's portray atheism as a positive, inspirational disbelief, which allows people to have a firm grasp of ethics, morals, and philosophy. Again, you are making judgements about things that haven't happened, so please stop. If I do something there which is horribly damaging to atheism at large, THEN you can harass me about it. To judge on events which haven't transpired seems to be claiming an omniscience I doubt you are capable of. (That's just my rational disbelief in ESP, I could be wrong.)

I`m not harassing or judging you and I actually enjoy reading your posts. I didn`t read all of the Atheism/Satanist thread,but I got the idea from what people were saying in THIS thread that certain Satanists would be attending the march and promoting Satanism. I assumed this would be with signs and banners.
I`m not referring to you personally since I`m unaware of you saying anything of the sort,but I think any Satanist signs or banners that anyone MAY be planning is a bad idea.
I`ve explained why I think it`s a bad idea earlier so I won`t bother going through it again.

RyanS2 · 07-31-2002, 08:51 PM

Anunnaki,

"I think any Satanist signs or banners that anyone MAY be planning is a bad idea."

I understand that, and have made it repeatedly clear I'm not going there to do that. I'm not a member of the Order of Perdition, but I do know them and will talk to them about it and see if we can both agree that we are there to promote atheism as a healthy, respectable disbelief, and not to promote our own agendas.

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Bible Humper · 07-31-2002, 09:09 PM

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I know, it's hideously diabolical, imagine what Christians would say if they found out all these diabolical mentionings of "Love", "Law", and "intellectual light". It could de-stabilize the entire atheistic community, I'm telling you.

The demons, pentagrams, 666 and everything else are all symbolic parts of your philosophy only because they represent love, law and intellectual light, eh?

Quite an unfortunate coincidence that these symbols are associated with the christian devil, isn't it?

/sarcasm Surely the reason that Satanism chose these particular symbols isn't because they are associated with the christian devil, nay, because Satanists don't associate with Satan, the symbols just coincidentally fit the philosophy so darn well that they just had to use them!

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No, and I never imply that, but I do imply that you have no idea about occultism at large, or in specific, so please refrain from making comments promoting yourself as someone who knows these things.

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> Nice strawman, I never claimed any knowledge of "occultism at large or in specific".
Would you care to dispute something I actually wrote?

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So far, you've stated that you are out to change the minds of the people of the World about atheism. Okay.... then you say you are scared about the people of the World's views of atheism. Okay.... So which is it? Do you prefer to change their minds, or be passive and allow them to harbor misconceptions? It's also funny that a group of people are judging me on events which have yet to transpire, based upon evidence which does not exist. I guarantee you that none of you could pick me out of a line-up of twenty people, much less a thousand. I walk, talk, and act just like anybody else does.

"When you prick me, do I not bleed?" <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

It is ironic that you admonish me for "allowing them to harbor misconceptions" considering the symbolism used by your philosophy.

If you are actually interested in dialogue with christian America, a good start would be to discard all of the unnecessary baggage that comes with the name "Satanism", and symbols associated with Satan.

Bible Humper · 07-31-2002, 09:17 PM

Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:

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You're not seriously comparing Satanists with pedophiles, are you? I hope not. Whatever Satanists are, they are no more analogous to pedophiles than you or I. And of the people who think they are, they already lump any atheist into the same category.

If you meant that seriously, then I'm actually embarrassed for Ryan, to see that sort of attitude expressed on this site, one infidel comparing other infidels to pedophiles on account of their brand of infidelity. But I'll get over it.

No Kind Bud, I do not think that these LeVey Satanists are akin to pedophiles at all. Look at how I said "fringe group that calls themselves 'pedophiles' but doesn't abuse children" in my analogy.

Autonemesis · 07-31-2002, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:
Nice strawman, I never claimed any knowledge of "occultism at large or in specific".
Would you care to dispute something I actually wrote?

Yes you did. In the same post, previous paragraph, you said:

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/sarcasm Surely the reason that Satanism chose these particular symbols isn't because they are associated with the christian devil, nay, because Satanists don't associate with Satan, the symbols just coincidentally fit the philosophy so darn well that they just had to use them!

This implies you know enough about occult symbols to tell which ones were originated by Christians and later appropriated by occult groups, and which symbols were originated by occult groups and later appropriated by Christians as symbols of evil. Making that determination would require an extensive knowledge of the historical meaning and evolution of these symbols, which would necesarily imply a good amount of knowledge about the occult in general and quite a bit about specific occult ideas too.

Wouldn't it?

RyanS2 · 07-31-2002, 09:19 PM

Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:

This is going to get tautological real quick. I'm not going to respond to you outside of this because it's apparent that you want to stir up trouble, and have no intent on a real discussion. I already answered all of your questions, and showed you where the symbols, mythos, and everything else came from. First, the 93, the Baphomet, the Yin/Yang symbol, and the pentagram have nothing to do with Christianity, although Emporer Constantine wore one, but it wasn't an upside-down one. You simply believe they are associated with Christianity, they are not.

Bible Humper · 07-31-2002, 09:20 PM

Kind Bud, you don't exactly need a degree in demonology to have heard of "pentagrams", "666" and "demons".

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Bible Humper · 07-31-2002, 09:25 PM

Answered all my questions? Whatever Ryan.

I agree that this discussion is going nowhere, because you are apparently unwilling to address my posts since strawmen are so much easier to deal with. Chiao.

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Autonemesis · 07-31-2002, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Splashing Colours Of Whimsy:
Kind Bud, you don't need a degree in demonology to have heard of "pentagrams", "666" and "demons".

You don't need a degree in physics to have heard of atoms, Einstein, and E=mc^2. But that doesn't mean you have any idea about the history of nuclear physics.

Would you care to answer my question about whether you really meant to compare satanists to pedophiles? You're sounding an awful lot like a fundy, do you know that?

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07-31-2002, 08:03 PM	#51
Autonemesis Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I've left FRDB for good, due to new WI&P policy Posts: 12,048	Splashing Colours Of Whimsy: You're not seriously comparing Satanists with pedophiles, are you? I hope not. Whatever Satanists are, they are no more analogous to pedophiles than you or I. And of the people who think they are, they already lump any atheist into the same category. If you meant that seriously, then I'm actually embarrassed for Ryan, to see that sort of attitude expressed on this site, one infidel comparing other infidels to pedophiles on account of their brand of infidelity. But I'll get over it.

07-31-2002, 08:51 PM	#53
RyanS2 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisiana Posts: 216	Anunnaki, "I think any Satanist signs or banners that anyone MAY be planning is a bad idea." I understand that, and have made it repeatedly clear I'm not going there to do that. I'm not a member of the Order of Perdition, but I do know them and will talk to them about it and see if we can both agree that we are there to promote atheism as a healthy, respectable disbelief, and not to promote our own agendas. [ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: RyanS2 ]</p>

07-31-2002, 09:19 PM	#57
RyanS2 Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisiana Posts: 216	Splashing Colours Of Whimsy: This is going to get tautological real quick. I'm not going to respond to you outside of this because it's apparent that you want to stir up trouble, and have no intent on a real discussion. I already answered all of your questions, and showed you where the symbols, mythos, and everything else came from. First, the 93, the Baphomet, the Yin/Yang symbol, and the pentagram have nothing to do with Christianity, although Emporer Constantine wore one, but it wasn't an upside-down one. You simply believe they are associated with Christianity, they are not.

07-31-2002, 09:20 PM	#58
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	Kind Bud, you don't exactly need a degree in demonology to have heard of "pentagrams", "666" and "demons". [ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Splashing Colours Of Whimsy ]</p>

07-31-2002, 09:25 PM	#59
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	Answered all my questions? Whatever Ryan. I agree that this discussion is going nowhere, because you are apparently unwilling to address my posts since strawmen are so much easier to deal with. Chiao. [ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Splashing Colours Of Whimsy ]</p>

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