excreationist

This is in response to what Helen (the BB one) said <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=001151;p=" target="_blank">in that adult bookstore thread</a>:
Well in the Bible God allows people to be cruel to their slaves and even commands people to take slaves (in the conquests in Moses' day). Paul has many things to say about slaves - basically to be very faithful even if the masters are harsh and that masters should teach their slaves not to talk back.
In the Bible slavery is never illegal and it never directly says that slavery is immoral. It does talk about the golden rule though, but loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength would override that. God clearly permitted slavery and if the laws of the time permit slavery then I thought Christians would accept that. It was the super-liberal quakers who started the abolitionist movement. Also black resistance was the main thing that made it happen.
<a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=24;t=000458" target="_blank">Slavery and the Bible</a>
This has lots of information about that subject.

Anyway, Rev. Joshua, you get a thumbs up from me.

Captain Pedantic

I wish I hadn't read that BB thread now. I'm going to be cross for the rest of the day. It really annoys me when certain religious folks, instead of doing something constructive like helping the sick or planting trees or something, decide that the best thing to do would be to point at other Christians, and say "I R MOR BETTAR TAHN YUO, U GAY FAG HOMO SINNAR". Is that in the Bible? Did Jesus say "Yea, and thou shalt flaunt thine own odious personality in the face of others, for it is pleasing in the sight of the Lord"?

Also: I like Rev. Josh, and I urge others to like him too

Darwin's Finch

Once again, the fascist-lite shits at BB demonstrate that they don't have the slightest understanding of freedom. Uptight, authoritarian busybodies, practically every one of them.

I join with the others to give you a big thumbs-up for standing up for others' right to choose. The question, though, is why on earth do you continue to hang out at BB at all? What a bunch of ghastly hypocrites!

The Other Michael

Hi Veil of Fire,

What could you give them that would be worse than what they already have?

cheers,
Michael

Principia

I wonder if it is bigotry to hate bigotry.

General Zod

Rev. Joshua:

If more of mainstream Christianity resembled you instead of the BB, my descent (ascent? ) into atheism might have been prolonged for a very long while. Thank you for proving that while the system may be corrupt, it still has damn decent people inside.

Liquidrage

Joshua,

Don't you find it ironic that you find more acceptance of your ideals on a secular BB then on a Baptist BB?

seebs

I've often wondered about the same thing. In the end, though, I guess I attribute it to the innate tendency for humans to reach for morality... and the other innate tendency to condemn differences.

There are lots of people here who are very, very, unsupportive of Rev. Joshua. The rest of you mostly have them shamed into silence - but there are plenty of places where the atheist fundies have everyone else cowed.

In the end, I'm more bothered by intolerance than most other problems. I think places that encourage a variety of beliefs produce resistance to this.

Liquidrage

I don't agree with that.

There are many people here that when in the course of a debate seem intolerant.
However, one must understand that a few of these forums are like the arenas of intellectual competition.

Much like a football player doesn't run around the mall attacking people, many of the people that seem hostile when engaged in a debate, loose that hostility outside of the debate.

I would say just because someone attacks an ideal in the "Bible Criticism" forum, does not mean that the same person would be hostile outside of that arena of debate. Even if said person was still in disagreement of the ideal.

The same could be said about the BBB in theory. It could be a forum that invites debate. I just don't know what kind of a forum is it personally.

Also, the same could be said that some on the BBB are "shamed into silence".
However, it's still ironic that the vocal majority here applauds the effort Joshua made in the name of tolerance, while the vocal majority at the BBB condem the same effort.

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HelenM

This seems a really odd thing to say...I don't see evidence of anyone being 'cowed' into silence, here! Why on earth would they be? What could have intimidated them into not posting?

If you read this thread carefully, you'll see that Daydreamer quite clearly said "I don't agree with everything you say but I think you're a great person".

Where are these places where the atheist fundies have everyone cowed?

love
Helen