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Jackalope · 11-17-2002, 04:43 AM

Uh, yeah.

Pravda hsa become the russian equivalent of the
Weekly World News.

MortalWombat · 11-17-2002, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Toto:
Prophet Mike: Do you mean this picture?

I can't see much of anything

[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

That may be the other side. In this picture:

the circle is clear on the right side.

Picture taken from <a href="http://www.rom.on.ca/ossuary/" target="_blank">here</a>.

Jayhawker Soule · 11-18-2002, 07:37 AM

Does any one have a sense of Dr. Keall's authority and credibility in matters of paleography? Note that the Globe article states, in part:

Quote:

Morever, Dr. Keall said, further analysis of the box's Aramaic inscription -- Ya'akov (James) son of Yosef (Joseph) brother of Jesus (Yeshua) -- supports the contention that it was made by a single hand. ...

"I'm convinced that all of the criticisms voiced by people who have only photographs are without substance," he said. "You can't dismiss on grounds of paleography."

Also, the article ends noting: "ROM director William Thorsell said the museum would hold a scholarly discussion of all aspects of the ossuary on Nov. 23." Are transcripts of such meetings typically produced and made available to the general public?

[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: ReasonableDoubt ]

Vorkosigan · 11-18-2002, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt:
Does any one have a sense of Dr. Keall's authority and credibility in matters of paleography? Note that the Globe article states, in part: Also, the article ends noting: "ROM director William Thorsell said the museum would hold a scholarly discussion of all aspects of the ossuary on Nov. 23." Are transcripts of such meetings typically produced and made available to the general public?

[ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: ReasonableDoubt ]

Keall has no training in archaeology or paleography. You can easily find <a href="http://www.rom.on.ca/neac/keall.html" target="_blank">his webpage</a> on the net. He has considerable field experience, however. Those who have spoken out in favor of two hands, two fonts, and two different times are all experts. Don't worry, though, RD. By the time the apologists are through, a lot more dust than this will be kicked up.

Vorkosigan

Vorkosigan

Jayhawker Soule · 11-18-2002, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vorkosigan:
Don't worry, though, RD. By the time the apologists are through, a lot more dust than this will be kicked up.

Vorkosigan

Vorkosigan

Thanks. As long as I have your clarity of purpose, I'm sure I'll be just fine.

Jayhawker Soule · 11-18-2002, 01:35 PM

ASOR is holding its annual meeting November 20-24 in Toronto. I wonder how this will play with the November 23rd ROM meeting?

Vorkosigan · 11-18-2002, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt:
Thanks. As long as I have your clarity of purpose, I'm sure I'll be just fine.

RD, here are some comments from a scholar's list from two different scholars early on in this mess:

>That rustling sound you hear is the no-Jesus >folks feverishly constructing reasons for >ignoring the bone-box.

>As for the forgery part...there is no evidence >at all that it is a forgery and lots of evidence
>that this ossuary spent centuries in a cave and >was inscribed pre-70 CE. Allthough I wont bet my >life on an unprovenanced artifact, I don't think >the forgery card is going to play for the Jesus >mythers.

That's why I have "clarity of purpose," given this, and of course, plenty of other experiences with attempts by heavily invested people (and not just in NT studies, of course) to save dubious artifacts. The counterattack by the apologetic side has not yet begun.

But I forgot, it's "irrational" to look to history to try and understand the present.

Vorkosigan

Ted Hoffman · 11-20-2002, 10:45 PM

Toto,
Great work I can see you guys are putting in here.
I have read "inconsistancy" twice in your posts. And I am beginning to think its not a typo.

Toto · 11-20-2002, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Intensity:
Toto,
Great work I can see you guys are putting in here.
I have read "inconsistancy" twice in your posts. And I am beginning to think its not a typo.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I can never keep the -ant vs -ent endings straight without a spell checker. But I do know <its> from <it's>.

Jayhawker Soule · 11-21-2002, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Intensity:
Great work I can see you guys are putting in here.

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Jackalope Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hayward, CA, USA Posts: 1,675	Uh, yeah. Pravda hsa become the russian equivalent of the Weekly World News.

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Jayhawker Soule Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,777	ASOR is holding its annual meeting November 20-24 in Toronto. I wonder how this will play with the November 23rd ROM meeting?

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Ted Hoffman Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: "" Posts: 3,863	Toto, Great work I can see you guys are putting in here. I have read "inconsistancy" twice in your posts. And I am beginning to think its not a typo.

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