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Cojana · 05-14-2003, 05:24 AM

I have three heaven bound christains,my wife and two daughters, I am Hell bound, assuming God,Devil,Hell,and heaven exist,.. I say, don't worry about hell, if just one of the people I love,love me back,.my pardon from Hell are garanteed, the happyness of anyone that loves me are jeoperdised if I remain in Hell,so God to fulfill my loved one's promise, are forced to pardon me.lest my loved one's become sheep on boundless pastures, sheep don't care for one another,.. :notworthy

Darth Dane · 05-14-2003, 05:32 AM

Could you ask your self? Just as they ask for you?

If God loves you, God's love will pardon you from Hell!---> everyone goes to heaven as God' love's each of us as if though there was just one of us.

DD - Love Spliff

Cojana · 05-14-2003, 10:08 AM

Member Darth Dane, I can evauate you as a God fearing individual, therefore I can not reason with you as a normal person, I will point out some factual beliefs, if there are a Hell,why was it created, for intimidation? are Hitlers pardon too? what about those islamic dirt bags that destroyed the TWC towers? anyway my subject entails punishment from God, that love overturns,you ruin my subject matter with your over all Love,. :boohoo:

BioBeing · 05-14-2003, 10:44 AM

Actually I would say that DD has just taken your argument to its logical (if one can indeed be logical when discussing such subject matter

) conclusion. If even one single person in heaven is upset by the idea of anyone being eternally roasted and tormented in hell, then that person will not be happy in heaven. If, as the Christians tell us, we are supposed to be Christ-like and love evryone unconditionally, that includes even Hitler. How can a loving Christ condone the torture of hell? Thus, there can be no hell.

Darth Dane · 05-14-2003, 02:16 PM

Member Darth Dane, I can evauate you as a God fearing individual,

Really? I have no fear of God, why should I fear that which Loves?

therefore I can not reason with you as a normal person, I will point out some factual beliefs, if there are a Hell,why was it created, for intimidation?

I don't know who created Hell: God or Humans?

How can a loving Christ condone the torture of hell? Thus, there can be no hell.

Yes, and if there is no Hell, where are we?

"The kingdom of Heaven is spread upon earth, but people do not see it!"

Is this the meaning of those words?

DD - Love Spliff

long winded fool · 05-14-2003, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by BioBeing
Actually I would say that DD has just taken your argument to its logical (if one can indeed be logical when discussing such subject matter ) conclusion. If even one single person in heaven is upset by the idea of anyone being eternally roasted and tormented in hell, then that person will not be happy in heaven. If, as the Christians tell us, we are supposed to be Christ-like and love evryone unconditionally, that includes even Hitler. How can a loving Christ condone the torture of hell? Thus, there can be no hell.

How can you be upset by the idea of a person roasting in Hell if you're in Heaven? Anyone who is upset by this cannot be in Heaven, right?

BioBeing · 05-14-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by long winded fool
How can you be upset by the idea of a person roasting in Hell if you're in Heaven? Anyone who is upset by this cannot be in Heaven, right?

No, sorry, I don't follow. If you have unconditional love for everyone, how can you NOT be upset by the idea of hell?

orac · 05-14-2003, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by long winded fool
How can you be upset by the idea of a person roasting in Hell if you're in Heaven? Anyone who is upset by this cannot be in Heaven, right?

Er, you've just said that you have no empathy for the suffering of other people. Is that supposed to be your idea of heaven - a place filled with callous uncaring people with absolutely no concern for other people? How odd.

The point isn't that people in heaven will be safe from suffering. The point is that people in heaven may still be decent human beings who're mildly bothered by, for example, their loved ones roasting in hell.

What I don't get is why christians don't understand that.

wade-w · 05-14-2003, 11:37 PM

According to several theologians, watching the damned being tortured in hell is supposed to part of the entertainment in heaven. That makes me wonder how compassionate christians are really supposed to be.

long winded fool · 05-14-2003, 11:41 PM

But if heaven is eternal bliss by definition, how can any unpleasant thing exist there? No one bothered by the fact that there are people roasting in Hell could exist in heaven. Since the only two places where unpleasantness seems to exist would be Earth (or physical reality) and Hell, anyone bothered by Hell must be either in Hell or on Earth. If you want to for the moment assume the Christian Heaven in order to contradict the Heaven and Hell doctrine, you can't logically redefine it so that this is possible.

05-14-2003, 05:24 AM	#1
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	Love rules over Evil I have three heaven bound christains,my wife and two daughters, I am Hell bound, assuming God,Devil,Hell,and heaven exist,.. I say, don't worry about hell, if just one of the people I love,love me back,.my pardon from Hell are garanteed, the happyness of anyone that loves me are jeoperdised if I remain in Hell,so God to fulfill my loved one's promise, are forced to pardon me.lest my loved one's become sheep on boundless pastures, sheep don't care for one another,.. :notworthy

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05-14-2003, 05:32 AM	#2
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Could you ask your self? Just as they ask for you? If God loves you, God's love will pardon you from Hell!---> everyone goes to heaven as God' love's each of us as if though there was just one of us. DD - Love Spliff

05-14-2003, 10:08 AM	#3
Cojana Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reseda, California Posts: 651	Member Darth Dane, I can evauate you as a God fearing individual, therefore I can not reason with you as a normal person, I will point out some factual beliefs, if there are a Hell,why was it created, for intimidation? are Hitlers pardon too? what about those islamic dirt bags that destroyed the TWC towers? anyway my subject entails punishment from God, that love overturns,you ruin my subject matter with your over all Love,. :boohoo:

05-14-2003, 10:44 AM	#4
BioBeing Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 6,004	Actually I would say that DD has just taken your argument to its logical (if one can indeed be logical when discussing such subject matter ) conclusion. If even one single person in heaven is upset by the idea of anyone being eternally roasted and tormented in hell, then that person will not be happy in heaven. If, as the Christians tell us, we are supposed to be Christ-like and love evryone unconditionally, that includes even Hitler. How can a loving Christ condone the torture of hell? Thus, there can be no hell.

05-14-2003, 02:16 PM	#5
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Member Darth Dane, I can evauate you as a God fearing individual, Really? I have no fear of God, why should I fear that which Loves? therefore I can not reason with you as a normal person, I will point out some factual beliefs, if there are a Hell,why was it created, for intimidation? I don't know who created Hell: God or Humans? How can a loving Christ condone the torture of hell? Thus, there can be no hell. Yes, and if there is no Hell, where are we? "The kingdom of Heaven is spread upon earth, but people do not see it!" Is this the meaning of those words? DD - Love Spliff

05-14-2003, 11:37 PM	#9
wade-w Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Silver City, New Mexico Posts: 1,872	According to several theologians, watching the damned being tortured in hell is supposed to part of the entertainment in heaven. That makes me wonder how compassionate christians are really supposed to be.

05-14-2003, 11:41 PM	#10
long winded fool Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,113	But if heaven is eternal bliss by definition, how can any unpleasant thing exist there? No one bothered by the fact that there are people roasting in Hell could exist in heaven. Since the only two places where unpleasantness seems to exist would be Earth (or physical reality) and Hell, anyone bothered by Hell must be either in Hell or on Earth. If you want to for the moment assume the Christian Heaven in order to contradict the Heaven and Hell doctrine, you can't logically redefine it so that this is possible.

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