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Jesse · 07-28-2003, 04:27 PM

On My horoscope was dead on! I offered to do a test of astrology by having someone give three or four birthdates, one of which was there own, and then I would get four astrological profiles from astro.com and give them in random order, seeing if the person can identify their own. Lobstrosity volunteered to be a guinea pig, and gave these dates:

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1) 7/19/79 @ 5:07 PM, White Plains, NY

2) 10/26/78 @ 8:22 PM, Salt Lake City, UT

3) 3/5/77 @ 2:15 AM, Kamuela, HI

4) 1/8/76 @ 4:16 PM, San Jose, CA

Here are the four profiles for those dates, order determined by coinflips, and with all specific astrological references edited out:

Profile #1:

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Internally you aspire to power more than anything else. However, the personality role you have developed does not insure reaching this goal. Your personality is expressed through service to others, usually dealing with details of organization and arrangement. Internally you feel resentful about life that fate has dealt you. You should turn your aspirations and energy in the right direction and reconcile yourself to your personality functions. You do possess a fine, analytical mind, and through concentration on this and other aspects of your character you can reach your goals in a way that will yield at least relative satisfaction.

At the time of your birth ***.

*** and among its key psychological influences over life there are the following: intellectual activities, humanism, and abhorrence of violence, constant doubt of all mental concepts, hesitancy and academic interest.

People whose *** usually appear as elegant, slender, expressive, and with very humane facial expressions. They are individuals with some literary inclination, dexterous with manual labors and crafts, apt, able, witty, inventive and very curious and subtle.

A *** will always distinguish himself by his rather eloquent speech and writing, his much occupied daily life, and his perpetual lack of an ability to effect swift and determined decisions. As a ****, you should try to compensate your hesitancy with fast thinking.

Your disposition to life-events will be kind and generous (within bounds) but not always fortunate, because of too much vacillation in decision-making circumstances. You possess the capability of rising in life because of your own intellectual assets.

Your mind is open and generous, and your intellect self-sufficient; yet on many occasions, judgment will appear as "twisted". You should restrain useless discussion, strife, and unprofitable argument as they're your worst enemies.

To achieve success, you should stress your literary and scientific studies, give free hand to your brilliant intellect in warranted circumstances, and apply your diligent nature to writing, traveling, communications, and human analysis. In all these activities you are at your best.

***, the ruler of your life, appears in the *** house. This is the house of work, health and labor relations.

There appears to be a propensity for mental weaknesses and nervousness resulting from an obsession with ideas, related perhaps to your emotional nature.

The location of *** denotes that you are an intellectual worker with a keen and clever disposition to scientific research, yet only your dynamic thrust will bring these tendencies into materialization.

*** here will definitely influence events concerning your mother, places of residence and family matters.

Both your childhood and even your older age will be characterized by a love of romance, various journeys, and interesting adventures.

The liability of this astrological combination is that it gives you an uncertain position in life and a perpetual striving for material security that seems to be hard to come by. This may be relieved temporarily by your receiving a small inheritance and will be almost overcome by the final years of your life by excellent family care and assistance.

*** at the time of your birth. Both the first and, especially the last epoch of your life, will be challenged with multiple duties, frustrations, and problems in general, that seem to originate from circumstances very difficult to alter.

A rather cold childhood may leave deep marks on your subconscious. This could lead to a sense of fear and distrust in the world that is not conducive to success in human relations and communications.

You may feel that your personal freedom is greatly hindered and this will cause you to suffer. *** indicates the narrow and dangerous path between our animal nature and our spiritual abode. This path is reason which can lead us from the binds of bestial attachment to the higher states of consciousness. Your unfortunate experience may be a test of fate over your reasoning powers. Don't be "felled" by lower emotions nor be "tormented" by depressive ideas arising from the unknown. You must think and feel by your own volition.

*** at the time of birth. This position indicates that in all your activities you will be subjected to the impositions of the environment. The overall orientation of your existence is that of accomplishment through fulfillment of professional responsibilities. In matters of health, this astrological combination is not ideal, as the vital energies of *** here have less power, causing you to feel an occasional lack of physical strength. You are, however, inclined to be careful with your health. In your dealings with work associates and subordinates you will show dignified, strong, but open- handed attitudes.

You work with a well-developed sense of pride in everything you do.

*** at the time of your birth. You can regard yourself as a lucky individual. Your health throughout life has been either very good or you have had the capability of quickly recovering from illness.

In dealing with others within your work environment, you may also obtain an increase in income. Your attitude to work is that it is a pleasurable thing to do. You are not a hard working individual; on the contrary, there is something of laziness in you. Destiny may put you into positions where you will work under the direction of extremely kind and attractive superiors. A love relationship could start due to this interaction.

*** shows that you are greatly influenced by the people with whom you associate.

Your opinions of the people you deal with are too idealistic, and you are hurt when they disappoint you.

When you volunteer to help people, you must protect yourself. Offer to help only when you know positively that someone needs your assistance. Being alone makes you feel helpless, so you seek out obligations to others.

Since you are imaginative and creatively inspired in expressing yourself, you should direct your talents to writing, music, or the arts.

You depend on others to provide the opportunities you need to earn a living. Because you feel that you do not deserve to be happy and contented, you overemphasize your negative qualities. But you are more loved than you realize, and your friends are deeply concerned for your welfare. Seek their advice before making a commitment so you will not regret it later.

Profile #2

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Your astrological positions combine keen intuition and good critical faculties, which give you a healthy balance of mind. You are a capable individual, receptive to educational and cultural influences. You are at home with everything that is unsubstantial, intangible, and vague, and yet you find ways to make these things practical. You can successfully combine insight with concrete fact. The affectionate and emotional sides of your individuality, however, are readily called forth. Because of your pliancy, compassion, and understanding, your own affairs rarely have priority over the affairs of others. In love you seek a reciprocal understanding and sympathy. The key to a harmonious existence lies in maintaining an equilibrium of intuition and common sense.

*** denotes an existence in which temperament is very important. You will give an image of ambition, persistence, will power, consistency and perseverance. You were born with the tendencies to seek material, social, and, perhaps, even political power.

*** tends to a challenging life which forces you to exert all your resources in order to triumph. Because of your tact and prudence, you will be favored with the good will of important people.

Your mind is egocentric, rational and you have a natural tendency toward scepticism. Able to work hard, you will bear obstacles and frustrations with patience.

You will proceed with prudence in your love life and in all other activities. You will seriously consider all of the ramifications of marriage, especially the aspects of your independence, and you will not marry until you are sure of your choice. After marriage however there is a tendency to conduct a peaceful and quiet life.

You are very economical in your daily activities, and if you do not exert some control over this trait, it could appear as rather mean.

You are best placed in governmental, municipal, political, or large business organizations where hierarchy is very exactly defined. The key word for your professional orientation is responsibility.

Usually this is a good indication of long life ended by natural causes. The position, however, may bring difficulties in connection with marriage or with finances derived from partnerships. A great part of your life may be geared to the acquisition of some complicated inheritance. Regarding esoteric matters, the position indicates a profound interest in occult subjects.

Your individuality *** must pass several karmic tests of a mental character in order to return to its spiritual abode with a richer knowledge in this state of consciousness. Your mind strives for glory, social success, honors, power and magnanimous elevation by means of intellectual understanding.

The path for the realization of fame, honor, nobility and advancement lies through study, communication and self-expression. Your views about life are optimistic, self-assured, kind and generous.

The liabilities of your mind are a lack of interest in detail or occupations and matters that you regard as being below your dignity.

***. This is usually a very favorable and fruitful position that grants excellent family relationships within peaceful and beautiful environments.

This position indicates many social affairs, feasts, parties, celebrations, and related activities.

Near the end of your life you should experience financial gain and an overall economic improvement.

A natural lover of country life and nature, you will find many opportunities to gratify these sentiments.

***. Because of the restraining influence of this ***, matters concerning legacies, inheritance, and the financial dealings of your partner or associates could be severely limited and may be frustrated by what seems to be harsh fate.

Psychologically you are rather serious in connection with sexual affairs. You approach sex with caution, rationality and planning. Excess reason and thought in this direction may create some frustration in sexual matters.

***. Your higher mind has the potential to expertly reflect the teachings of elevated knowledge that you may receive throughout your life. You will have an ability to quickly adjust to varying conditions.

You are endowed with a clever and resourceful imagination, and a mind which is receptive to ideals, higher thoughts, and perhaps even metaphysical matters.

Throughout life you are going to solve many critical situations by your ingenious and highly inventive mind which has an abundance of new and humane plans and ideas.

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Jesse · 07-28-2003, 04:29 PM

Profile #3:

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You were born with ***. Your overall character structure is motivated by two basic life goals. First, you wish to succeed in life; second, you continuously, positively strive for pleasure and seek to avoid all pain.

The psychological center of your being lies in the instincts and emotions. You are primarily preoccupied with satisfying all your necessities in the best manner. Secondarily, you work to be of service to others and to satisfy them to the best of your ability. You are agile, active and industrious, sensitive and changeable, and yet hesitant. You accept life as naturally as possible. Your mind is versatile, inclined to change and conceptualizing, and perhaps slightly superficial. Nevertheless, you are a clever, intelligent person. You have a strong sense of attachment to those in your domestic life. You abhor deceit and double-talk. When you start a friendly relationship you try to conduct it at the most honest level possible.

Others see you as a good friend - frank, simple, but somewhat irresolute and superficial. Internally you are sensitive in comprehending human nature.

At the time of your birth ***.

*** denotes lives which are very dualistic; situations come and go as if divided into two sides - success and failure.

If you are able to raise the interests of your mind from common and trivial things to more profound subjects, your intellect will become very philosophical and attracted by law and peace, and it will be more intuitive than rational. In any case your life will be colored by impulsive and rather stubborn tendencies on your part, creating some inclination to go to extremes,

During the course of your existence you must try to develop intuition and human understanding so that you may be in a position to assist other people with your advice.

*** gives you a rather strong love of nature and makes you somewhat extroverted, demonstrative and passionate, falling in love frequently and without reservations. You are an intellectual, an intelligent person who has been fortunate enough to be granted also a good development of the emotional functions.

Your romantic life will be intense and varied. Your object of love may find you difficult to understand. In one aspect you will appear as passionate and energetic but because of the mutability of the sign you will also have an opposite tendency that will lead you away from involvement in the love affair and the latter impulse will be caused by a more inner trait, which is personal freedom.

Generally speaking, *** will incline you to exist in environments in which your physical body, emotions and thoughts are allowed total freedom for development. On a higher intellectual level you may find yourself inclined to dwell in the deep complexities of philosophy, metaphysics, religion and law. You are versatile enough to study more than one discipline simultaneously not forgetting to keep your body in physical movement, since you require both intellectual and physical exercise.

This condition of *** could be an indication of longevity and the maintenance of your intellectual and psychological faculties throughout life. Business activities derived from marriage or affected jointly with your marital partner will be very successful and there is also a possibility of inheriting large quantities of money from the death of an older relative.

Exciting romance may occur at an early stage in life. We must warn you, however, that unless modified by further interpretations, the partner may have fluctuating affections.

You're also one of those who throughout the relationship manifests a great variety of personality roles and who seldom shows in intimacy his real nature.

*** shows that you try to become personally involved in the affairs of the people you know. Subconsciously, you need someone to need you at all times. You have a wide circle of friends who think highly of you because of your generous and kindly disposition. Nevertheless, you find it difficult to form individual, lasting relationships, because you are never really sure you can fulfill the responsibilities they entail.

You want to be loved, and you constantly dwell on this fact. You hate being alone, so any professional interest should involve personal contact with the public.

It is important that you learn to stand alone and secure in your independence. You persist in the hope that everything you desire will someday be realized.

*** shows that you attract people who threaten you. You do not really have that much self-confidence; your aggressive actions are an attempt to convince yourself that you do.

Meeting others in competition is how you learn to assert yourself constructively, with greater self-control and discipline. Naturally argumentative, you are not the easiest person to get along with. You must learn to be more compromising if you want peace and harmony. Making concessions shows strength of character, not weakness, and if you realize this, you will be respected for your maturity.

In personal relationships, your offensive tactics force you to raise your defenses when the going gets rough.

But an attitude of superiority often masks feelings of inferiority or inadequacy. You have a lot of creative energy you should express. Remember, it is what you do rather than what you say you can do that is important. Develop more self-control, or you will run into many troublesome situations that could be extremely difficult to resolve.

*** at the time of birth. This inclines your individuality to be oriented, in one way or another, to the deeper sides of life. Your sexual feelings are long-lasting, intense, and vital. Your inner self seems attracted to unusual matters related to the termination of life-death and its mysteries.

Traditional astrology indicates that near your middle age a crisis will rear its head in your life. If this period is successfully spanned you can expect a prolonged life with a gradual heightening vitality.

Financially, there are definite chances for money inherited from either your partner or from another relative.

*** the time of birth. This is a favorable position regarding the possibilities of financial gain through businesses owned by your marital partner or by associates.

Psychologically, you are going to find many harmonious conditions in your sexual relationships.

If your inner growth is such that your vital energies are oriented toward spiritual rather than material pleasures, then you will arrive at gratification and happiness through inquiry into the mysteries of life and death.

You should have some excellent opportunities for progress in your financial and social condition during your middle age or when you finally stabilize your life through marriage or any other type of close relationship.

*** at the time of birth. This indicates that your concern over the impermanence of all things will urge you to restrict your personality traits and assume a position of caution and planning before pursuing any important matter.

In a practical sense, your attitude to all higher intellectual functions is that of a studious, serious, and meditative person. You must, however, be attentive to the possible presence of several challenging elements in your intellectual make-up such as depression, fear, and severity.

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This astrological combination indicates an ambitious nature and an inclination to seek the limelight of leadership. Because you have the abilities to concentrate, conserve, and persevere, you make the perfect organizer. "What can you do for me" is a question you frequently ask. However, utilitarian standards are certainly not the ultimate criteria of judgment for you. Your most conscious aim in life is to achieve integrity, and even your ambitions must conform to this aim. You are at ease in situations in which it is necessary to conform to authority and discipline. Your *** positions could bring you into prominence. The key to a more harmonious existence lies in tempering your self-assertive and egotistical tendencies, which can come between you and the fulfillment of your ambitions.

***. Your life will be full of changes and intermittent periods of activity and relaxation. Your vulnerability to external influences makes you subconsciously imitate the manners and ways of those with whom you relate.

In many instances, circumstances will require that you play the role of worldliness and sophistication but under the mask there will exist a very sensitive human being who is easily offended, and also very perceptive of the more subtle influences and impressions, as well as of psychic vibrations.

*** gives the tendency to completely retreat when hurt or frightened of a situation. This happens to you often because you tend to interfere in the affairs of others when you are not needed or wanted. Throughout your life, your responses will be emotional rather than rational.

*** also gives a tendency for life to be centered in the home and family; your attachment to your private and domestic habits is so strong that without them you could hardly endure. In love matters, you are emotional and gentle.

For the difficult aspects we must warn you against becoming overly preoccupied with trivial details of a psychological nature. Another tendency that you have is to flatter and to criticize carelessly, without regard for the other person's feeling.

Destiny may place you in environments where your natural traits can be best expressed. You will be happier when allowed to be occupied with searching for a person or a thing, though not necessarily in important work.

Your life will be geared to obtain public standing with honor, esteem and reputation. The trajectory of your existence appears as very energetic with a disposition of command and leadership. There are many life goals and excellent possibilities of achievement. You tend towards extroversion and may overemphasize public activities to the detriment of your family.

Be cautious of your public acts and control your directive force to avoid possible notoriety.

Your best professional choices are in employments of a changeable nature, and those requiring initiative and much travelling.

***. This is not a very favorable astrological circumstance for the general course of financial matters in your life.

It might be difficult to maintain a relatively fair position because of financial losses. You might also take financial matters too serious, and burden yourself with worries about them.

Your arduous and dedicated work might produce little for you financially, but it does help to strengthen your self-worth and your appreciation of other values. Therefore, do not be discouraged. *** often grants a fairly normal financial status at an older age if one exerts himself in this direction.

If you make an effort to acquire greater enthusiasm in business, coupled with more liberality, life will change by the same degree.

*** at the time of your birth. You can regard yourself as a lucky individual. Your health throughout life has been either very good or you have had the capability of quickly recovering from illness.

In dealing with others within your work environment, you may also obtain an increase in income. Your attitude to work is that it is a pleasurable thing to do. You are not a hard working individual; on the contrary, there is something of laziness in you. Destiny may put you into positions where you will work under the direction of extremely kind and attractive superiors. A love relationship could start due to this interaction.

*** at the time of your birth. Among other things, this means that your individuality is required to accomplish certain important developments in connection with associations and marriage. It appears, that you will be married to a rather proud but dignified individual, and much of all the progress that you will make in life will be a derivation of your relationship.

In any instance, you can expect throughout life the origination of lasting attachments and noble friendships.

*** at the time of birth. Among other things, this is an indication of your ability to adjust to varying conditions. Whatever your temperamental qualities may be, destiny will place you in situations where you will have dealings with the public.

Some public note could eventually come your way. Yet you should remember that *** successes are rather ethereal and do not maintain a permanent state.

Imagination, a tenacious disposition and ability to relate to the public are among your attributes. Outwardly, you will appear as one who reacts to emotions rather than to reason, yet you attempt a logical rationalization of your impulsive notions. You will better develop your potentialities in any professional circle where your natural inclinations can be reasonably manifested.

You can rate these however you want--just pick the best match, or rank them all from best match to worst, or rank each on a scale of 1-10, whatever. Once I get your ratings I'll tell you which goes with which birthdate.

Lobstrosity · 07-28-2003, 04:43 PM

I will most likely go through them paragraph by paragraph, rating what I consider as hits, misses, or some strange combination of the two. I will try to reduce this to a score for each one. To eliminate potential bias based on selective introspection I have enlisted the help of a friend by getting him to agree to peruse these descriptions and choose the one he thinks best matches me. I will also try to get my wife to come up with the profile she thinks best describes me. I will not look at their selections until after I have come up with my own ratings.

Bag of Ass · 07-28-2003, 07:34 PM

Hey guys, Bag of Ass here. I am a real-life personal friend of Lobstrosity's, so I can independently weigh in on issues regarding his personal traits and features. I've read through these four profiles and I've made notes, recording the main points of each profile and giving them points (positive, negative, neutral) if they agree or disagree with how I perceive his personality and mental abilities. I ignored certain aspects of the profiles if I lacked info (things like his love life and sex life) or if they talked about things no one can really know about (things like his future and when they gave him advice). I did not read any other commentary on the profiles if others have posted before me. After reading each profile and reviewing my notes, I gave each profile a score ranging from zero to ten on how closely they matched my perception of him. I expected each profile to rate fairly moderately, that is in the middle of the scale. This is because the nature of most horoscopes is to be pretty vague and self-contradictory so as to always have some grain of accuracy...but enough of this commentary, on with the profiles!

Profile 1
Things I thought were applicable to him include things like his analytical mind, intellectual activities, abhorrence of violence, wit and curiosity, eloquent speech and writing, accomplishments through professional responsibilities, and that his work is largely driven through the desire of pleasure yet at times he can be lazy. Things I thought were contrary to him include things like good organization skills, resentful of the fate he has been dealt, constantly doubting his mental concepts, a cold childhood, things relating to his health, and that his opinions of people he deals with are idealistic and that we disappoint him when we don't live up to them. Overall, I rated Profile 1 as a 5/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity.

Profile 2
Things I thought were applicable to him include things like his keen intuition and good critical faculties, his level of comfort with intangible ideas, his need to triumph at the expense of resources, a rational and skeptic (heh) mind, that he's self-assured, kind, and generous, his excellent family relations, and his love of life and nature. Things I thought disagreed with him include things like a need to be in an organized hierarchy, that his own affairs take precedence over others', that he seeks power, has an interest in the occult, that he is not interested in matters that are below him, and that he participates in many social affairs and parties and such. Overall, I rated Profile 2 as a 5.5/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity.

Profile 3
Things I thought were applicable to him include things like his wish to succeed, a strive for pleasure, an avoidance of pain, good instincts and emotions, that he's clever and intelligent, a natural acceptance of life, a versatile mind that may be slightly superficial, a stubbornness, a strong attachment to those in his domestic life, a hate of deceit and double-talk and a value of honesty, favoring the profound (philosophy, religion, law, peace) over the trivial, human understanding and giving advice, and a feeling that competition leads to self-control and discipline. Things I thought disagreed with him include things like a favoring of the intuitive over the rational, impulsiveness, a need to become involved in the affairs of people he knows, aggressive action, a sense of extroversion and superiority. Overall, I rated Profile 3 as a 7.5/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity.

Profile 4
Things I thought were applicable to him include things like a strong sense of home and family, intermittent periods of bustling activity and relaxation, that hard work yields a sense of self-worth, and he tends to retreat when things become hurtful. Things that I thought disagreed with him include things like strong leadership and organizational skills, an egocentric attitude (many of the attributes of this profile were related to this), and a tendency to flatter and criticize carelessly. Overall, I rated Profile 4 as a 3/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity.

What does this all mean? I suppose I'm saying that if the horoscopes presented are legit, then it should be that Profile 3 corresponds to 7/19/79 at 5:07 PM, White Plains, NY. However, if it does, that doesn't necessarily mean that the horoscope is legit, it merely supports it. Another however, if Profile 3 does not match his birth info, it gives strong evidence that the horoscope is not legit. Now, what did he and his wife have to say about this?

Lobstrosity · 07-28-2003, 07:44 PM

I have not looked at Bag's response yet, nor have I seen my wife's. Here are my thoughts:

Profile 1:

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Internally you aspire to power more than anything else. However, the personality role you have developed does not insure reaching this goal. Your personality is expressed through service to others, usually dealing with details of organization and arrangement. Internally you feel resentful about life that fate has dealt you. You should turn your aspirations and energy in the right direction and reconcile yourself to your personality functions. You do possess a fine, analytical mind, and through concentration on this and other aspects of your character you can reach your goals in a way that will yield at least relative satisfaction.

The first part of this is a gigantic miss and contains a spelling error (which tends to irk me), however if they say I have a fine, analytical mind, who am I to argue? I sincerely am uninterested in power and I am incredibly disorganized. I am very happy with the life fate has dealt me. As a general summary of my me-ness, I'd have to say this one opens as a horrendous failure.

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*** and among its key psychological influences over life there are the following: intellectual activities, humanism, and abhorrence of violence, constant doubt of all mental concepts, hesitancy and academic interest.

I don't mind violence in movies but like basically everyone I'm not a fan of real-life violence...does that mean I abhor violence or not? I'm rather skeptical but that doesn't mean I constantly doubt all mental concepts.

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People whose *** usually appear as elegant, slender, expressive, and with very humane facial expressions. They are individuals with some literary inclination, dexterous with manual labors and crafts, apt, able, witty, inventive and very curious and subtle.

I'm definitely not elegant, nor am I witty. I guess some of this could apply to me, but that's because most of it is flattering and I tend to feel like I could be pretty good at manual labors if I gave them a shot.

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A *** will always distinguish himself by his rather eloquent speech and writing, his much occupied daily life, and his perpetual lack of an ability to effect swift and determined decisions. As a ****, you should try to compensate your hesitancy with fast thinking.

I try to write well and am often verbose, but the rest of this isn't really accurate.

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Your disposition to life-events will be kind and generous (within bounds) but not always fortunate, because of too much vacillation in decision-making circumstances. You possess the capability of rising in life because of your own intellectual assets.

Wait, I'm resentful about the life fate has dealt me but my disposition to life-events will be kind and generous? I guess that's possible. This part doesn't really impress me.

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Your mind is open and generous, and your intellect self-sufficient; yet on many occasions, judgment will appear as "twisted". You should restrain useless discussion, strife, and unprofitable argument as they're your worst enemies.

So then it's not a good idea for me as an atheist to be posting on places like TheologyWeb?

Summary: Basically one giant miss. This doesn't seem to describe me at all beyond the sparse mentioning of "scientific nature" and "intellectual interests." Nothing else it said rang true in any way. I give it a 1/10.

Lobstrosity · 07-28-2003, 07:48 PM

Profile 2:

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Your astrological positions combine keen intuition and good critical faculties, which give you a healthy balance of mind. You are a capable individual, receptive to educational and cultural influences. You are at home with everything that is unsubstantial, intangible, and vague, and yet you find ways to make these things practical. You can successfully combine insight with concrete fact. The affectionate and emotional sides of your individuality, however, are readily called forth. Because of your pliancy, compassion, and understanding, your own affairs rarely have priority over the affairs of others. In love you seek a reciprocal understanding and sympathy. The key to a harmonious existence lies in maintaining an equilibrium of intuition and common sense.

The first part of this seems like it could apply to me, however the rest is either off the mark or so obvious as to not be impressive in any way. I'm not very emotional. I give others priority because I don't consider myself egotistical or egocentric, but I bet most people don't consider themselves egotistical, either. Of course in love I seek reciprocal understanding--file this one under duh.

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*** denotes an existence in which temperament is very important. You will give an image of ambition, persistence, will power, consistency and perseverance. You were born with the tendencies to seek material, social, and, perhaps, even political power.

No. I do not have a very strong will power, I often give up on things that don't interest me at the drop of a hat, and I have no aspirations of power of any kind.

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*** tends to a challenging life which forces you to exert all your resources in order to triumph. Because of your tact and prudence, you will be favored with the good will of important people.

My life hasn't been especially challenging.

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Your mind is egocentric, rational and you have a natural tendency toward scepticism. Able to work hard, you will bear obstacles and frustrations with patience.

I'm not sure my mind is any more egocentric than anyone else's (it does think about myself a lot, but that's because it's my mind). I will give that I have a natural tendency toward skepticism.

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You are best placed in governmental, municipal, political, or large business organizations where hierarchy is very exactly defined. The key word for your professional orientation is responsibility.

No.

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A great part of your life may be geared to the acquisition of some complicated inheritance. Regarding esoteric matters, the position indicates a profound interest in occult subjects.

No, my inheritence will be rather straight forward and I have no interest in occult subjects. I have a natural tendency towards skepticism, remember?

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Your mind strives for glory, social success, honors, power and magnanimous elevation by means of intellectual understanding.

The path for the realization of fame, honor, nobility and advancement lies through study, communication and self-expression. Your views about life are optimistic, self-assured, kind and generous.

I guess, although I'd dispute the part about "self-expression."

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This position indicates many social affairs, feasts, parties, celebrations, and related activities.

No.

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A natural lover of country life and nature, you will find many opportunities to gratify these sentiments.

Yeah, nature's ok.

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***. Because of the restraining influence of this ***, matters concerning legacies, inheritance, and the financial dealings of your partner or associates could be severely limited and may be frustrated by what seems to be harsh fate.

Probably not.

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***. Your higher mind has the potential to expertly reflect the teachings of elevated knowledge that you may receive throughout your life. You will have an ability to quickly adjust to varying conditions.

I guess this could apply to me.

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You are endowed with a clever and resourceful imagination, and a mind which is receptive to ideals, higher thoughts, and perhaps even metaphysical matters.

I think much of metaphysics is crap.

Summary: Some unimpressive hits coupled with some blatant misses. As a whole I don't see myself in this, but since parts of this could describe me if taken out of context I'll give it a 3.5/10 (I couldn't decide on a 3 or 4).

Lobstrosity · 07-28-2003, 07:51 PM

Profile 3:

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You were born with ***. Your overall character structure is motivated by two basic life goals. First, you wish to succeed in life; second, you continuously, positively strive for pleasure and seek to avoid all pain.

Wow, thanks Captain Obvious. Is there a single person in existence who isn't described by this? Uhh, yeah, I wish for failure in life and strive for pain while avoiding pleasure at all costs.

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The psychological center of your being lies in the instincts and emotions. You are primarily preoccupied with satisfying all your necessities in the best manner. Secondarily, you work to be of service to others and to satisfy them to the best of your ability. You are agile, active and industrious, sensitive and changeable, and yet hesitant. You accept life as naturally as possible. Your mind is versatile, inclined to change and conceptualizing, and perhaps slightly superficial. Nevertheless, you are a clever, intelligent person. You have a strong sense of attachment to those in your domestic life. You abhor deceit and double-talk. When you start a friendly relationship you try to conduct it at the most honest level possible.

Others see you as a good friend - frank, simple, but somewhat irresolute and superficial. Internally you are sensitive in comprehending human nature.

Sure, I guess I "abhor" deceit and double-talk, but then again who doesn't? What I really abhor is superficiality, so I find it strange that this is characterizing me as superficial myself. I guess I could be without knowing it, but I doubt it. I'd consider that a big miss. I also don't know what the "psychological center of my being" is, but I strongly suspect that whatever it is, it doesn't reside within my emotions. I'm also not very active, though back in middle school I was pretty agile and my fourth grade teacher once wrote on one of my papers that I was a "sensitive boy." I'm not sure what it means to accept life as naturally as possible, so that probably doesn't describe me, either. I guess I'll accept that I'm a clever, intelligent person and of course I have a strong sense of attachment to those in my domestic life.

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*** denotes lives which are very dualistic; situations come and go as if divided into two sides - success and failure.

If you say so. I haven't noticed.

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If you are able to raise the interests of your mind from common and trivial things to more profound subjects, your intellect will become very philosophical and attracted by law and peace, and it will be more intuitive than rational. In any case your life will be colored by impulsive and rather stubborn tendencies on your part, creating some inclination to go to extremes

Umm, no. I find trivial things rather boring and am not very impulsive at all.

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*** gives you a rather strong love of nature and makes you somewhat extroverted, demonstrative and passionate, falling in love frequently and without reservations.

Umm, hell no. I'm about as introverted as you can get. This certainly isn't me.

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Generally speaking, *** will incline you to exist in environments in which your physical body, emotions and thoughts are allowed total freedom for development. On a higher intellectual level you may find yourself inclined to dwell in the deep complexities of philosophy, metaphysics, religion and law. You are versatile enough to study more than one discipline simultaneously not forgetting to keep your body in physical movement, since you require both intellectual and physical exercise.

Hmm, this doesn't sound like a superficial person who's interested in trivial matters... At any rate, I'm most inclined to dwell in the deep complexities of science with physics being my primary interest. I find most philosophy to be the equivalent of mental masturbation when it's completely isolated from any true physical ramifications. I view metaphysics as crap, religion as ancient superstition (which I enjoy exposing informally on internet fora), and law as boring (although I do like the show Law & Order quite a bit). I'm not overweight, but I'm lazy and as such haven't really gotten any physical exercise in a very long time.

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This condition of *** could be an indication of longevity and the maintenance of your intellectual and psychological faculties throughout life. Business activities derived from marriage or affected jointly with your marital partner will be very successful and there is also a possibility of inheriting large quantities of money from the death of an older relative.

Wow, finally one of the stabs at inheritence brushes up against something remotely accurate, although the inclusion of the weak "possibility" diminishes the impressiveness of this.

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*** shows that you try to become personally involved in the affairs of the people you know. Subconsciously, you need someone to need you at all times. You have a wide circle of friends who think highly of you because of your generous and kindly disposition. Nevertheless, you find it difficult to form individual, lasting relationships, because you are never really sure you can fulfill the responsibilities they entail.

I only have like five friends, so this one doesn't seem to be so on the mark. I also don't really care very much about the personal affairs of others (obviously I care a little bit if these are people I'm friends with, but I probably care less than would be considered average). I almost feel like I'm the opposite of this. I have a very small circle of friends but I don't have a problem forming individual lasting relationships. I still talk with my best friend from elementary school, my best friend from high school, and the friends from college who didn't annoy me.

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You want to be loved, and you constantly dwell on this fact. You hate being alone, so any professional interest should involve personal contact with the public.

Honestly I'm quite comfortable alone. In my future occupation I hope to have as little contact with the public as possible. In general I find I'm annoyed by most people.

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*** shows that you attract people who threaten you. You do not really have that much self-confidence; your aggressive actions are an attempt to convince yourself that you do.

Well, I don't have that much self-confidence but I certainly don't counter it with aggression.

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Meeting others in competition is how you learn to assert yourself constructively, with greater self-control and discipline. Naturally argumentative, you are not the easiest person to get along with. You must learn to be more compromising if you want peace and harmony. Making concessions shows strength of character, not weakness, and if you realize this, you will be respected for your maturity.

I'm about as unconfrontational as you can get. I usually just sit silently when someone says something I disagree with. The only time I'm argumentative is when I'm very confortable with the person I'm around (such as my wife) or when I'm relatively anonymous on an online forum specifically designed for the exchange of ideas.

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Your inner self seems attracted to unusual matters related to the termination of life-death and its mysteries.

What mysteries? When you die you're dead.

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Financially, there are definite chances for money inherited from either your partner or from another relative.

No, really? Whew, I thought for a moment I might inherit money from a complete stranger. Just out of curiosity, how many people out there go through life without inheriting money from either their spouse or a relative? This is another one to file under duh.

Summary: Yeah, once again I do not see myself in this. I note a whole cornucopia of glaring misses with a few neutral tidbits scattered around for good measure. This one seems to fundamentally misconstrue my personality. I give it a 1/10.

Lobstrosity · 07-28-2003, 07:53 PM

Profile 4:

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This astrological combination indicates an ambitious nature and an inclination to seek the limelight of leadership. Because you have the abilities to concentrate, conserve, and persevere, you make the perfect organizer. "What can you do for me" is a question you frequently ask. However, utilitarian standards are certainly not the ultimate criteria of judgment for you. Your most conscious aim in life is to achieve integrity, and even your ambitions must conform to this aim. You are at ease in situations in which it is necessary to conform to authority and discipline. Your *** positions could bring you into prominence. The key to a more harmonious existence lies in tempering your self-assertive and egotistical tendencies, which can come between you and the fulfillment of your ambitions.

Wow, this is completely off. As I've said before, I have no ambitions with regards to limelight or leadership. I abhor being the center of attention. I am also one of the most disorganized people you've ever met, so I think the idea that I make the "perfect organizer" might be slightly false. I've never in my life said the words "what can you do for me."

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***. Your life will be full of changes and intermittent periods of activity and relaxation. Your vulnerability to external influences makes you subconsciously imitate the manners and ways of those with whom you relate.

Well, my mannerisms to depend on the person to whom I am relating and I do tend to pick up the mannerisms of others. I guess I'll score the second part of this as a hit, although I'm not sure it's really saying anything that unique about me specifically as it seems like most people tend to pick up the mannerisms of those they are close to and are around for prolonged periods of time.

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In many instances, circumstances will require that you play the role of worldliness and sophistication but under the mask there will exist a very sensitive human being who is easily offended, and also very perceptive of the more subtle influences and impressions, as well as of psychic vibrations.

The first part of this could be slightly accurate, although I don't consider myself easily offended (more like easily annoyed/irritated) and I don't even know what the hell "psychic vibrations" are.

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*** gives the tendency to completely retreat when hurt or frightened of a situation. This happens to you often because you tend to interfere in the affairs of others when you are not needed or wanted. Throughout your life, your responses will be emotional rather than rational.

This is definitely not me. As I've said before, I don't really care about the affairs of others and I am not very emotional.

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For the difficult aspects we must warn you against becoming overly preoccupied with trivial details of a psychological nature. Another tendency that you have is to flatter and to criticize carelessly, without regard for the other person's feeling.

Umm, no. I hate hurting the feelings of others and being as introverted as I am I very rarely criticize without the impersonal veil of anonymity provided by online fora. Even then such criticisms are never designed to hurt and almost certainly rarely do.

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Your life will be geared to obtain public standing with honor, esteem and reputation. The trajectory of your existence appears as very energetic with a disposition of command and leadership. There are many life goals and excellent possibilities of achievement. You tend towards extroversion and may overemphasize public activities to the detriment of your family.

The public annoys me and I do not want a position of leadership. I tend towards introversion and avoid public activities to the detriment of my family.

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It might be difficult to maintain a relatively fair position because of financial losses. You might also take financial matters too serious, and burden yourself with worries about them.

I doubt it.

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*** at the time of your birth. You can regard yourself as a lucky individual. Your health throughout life has been either very good or you have had the capability of quickly recovering from illness.

Not really.

Summary: This doesn't describe me in any way. I give it a 0/10.

Lobstrosity · 07-28-2003, 07:58 PM

SUMMARY of summaries:

1) 1/10
2) 3.5/10
3) 1/10
4) 0/10

I know, I know, I'm probably overcritical, but I really don't see myself in any of those. Profile 2 was the closest, but I still felt it was way off the mark in critical areas. My true birthday is 7/19/79, so now all that remains is to find out which profile was actually mine. Oh, and here's how my wife scored me:

1) 2/10
2) 9/10
3) 0/10
4) 6/10

Bag of Ass · 07-28-2003, 08:09 PM

My summary:

1. 5/10
2. 5.5/10
3. 7.5/10
4. 3/10

The difference between our three responses suggests that either we don't know Lobstrosity well enough, that we're all differently biased, or that we tended to focus on different parts of the profiles and hence weighted things differently.

Go go gadget Profile 3!

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07-28-2003, 04:43 PM	#3
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	I will most likely go through them paragraph by paragraph, rating what I consider as hits, misses, or some strange combination of the two. I will try to reduce this to a score for each one. To eliminate potential bias based on selective introspection I have enlisted the help of a friend by getting him to agree to peruse these descriptions and choose the one he thinks best matches me. I will also try to get my wife to come up with the profile she thinks best describes me. I will not look at their selections until after I have come up with my own ratings.

07-28-2003, 07:34 PM	#4
Bag of Ass Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Torrance, California Posts: 17	Hey guys, Bag of Ass here. I am a real-life personal friend of Lobstrosity's, so I can independently weigh in on issues regarding his personal traits and features. I've read through these four profiles and I've made notes, recording the main points of each profile and giving them points (positive, negative, neutral) if they agree or disagree with how I perceive his personality and mental abilities. I ignored certain aspects of the profiles if I lacked info (things like his love life and sex life) or if they talked about things no one can really know about (things like his future and when they gave him advice). I did not read any other commentary on the profiles if others have posted before me. After reading each profile and reviewing my notes, I gave each profile a score ranging from zero to ten on how closely they matched my perception of him. I expected each profile to rate fairly moderately, that is in the middle of the scale. This is because the nature of most horoscopes is to be pretty vague and self-contradictory so as to always have some grain of accuracy...but enough of this commentary, on with the profiles! Profile 1 Things I thought were applicable to him include things like his analytical mind, intellectual activities, abhorrence of violence, wit and curiosity, eloquent speech and writing, accomplishments through professional responsibilities, and that his work is largely driven through the desire of pleasure yet at times he can be lazy. Things I thought were contrary to him include things like good organization skills, resentful of the fate he has been dealt, constantly doubting his mental concepts, a cold childhood, things relating to his health, and that his opinions of people he deals with are idealistic and that we disappoint him when we don't live up to them. Overall, I rated Profile 1 as a 5/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity. Profile 2 Things I thought were applicable to him include things like his keen intuition and good critical faculties, his level of comfort with intangible ideas, his need to triumph at the expense of resources, a rational and skeptic (heh) mind, that he's self-assured, kind, and generous, his excellent family relations, and his love of life and nature. Things I thought disagreed with him include things like a need to be in an organized hierarchy, that his own affairs take precedence over others', that he seeks power, has an interest in the occult, that he is not interested in matters that are below him, and that he participates in many social affairs and parties and such. Overall, I rated Profile 2 as a 5.5/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity. Profile 3 Things I thought were applicable to him include things like his wish to succeed, a strive for pleasure, an avoidance of pain, good instincts and emotions, that he's clever and intelligent, a natural acceptance of life, a versatile mind that may be slightly superficial, a stubbornness, a strong attachment to those in his domestic life, a hate of deceit and double-talk and a value of honesty, favoring the profound (philosophy, religion, law, peace) over the trivial, human understanding and giving advice, and a feeling that competition leads to self-control and discipline. Things I thought disagreed with him include things like a favoring of the intuitive over the rational, impulsiveness, a need to become involved in the affairs of people he knows, aggressive action, a sense of extroversion and superiority. Overall, I rated Profile 3 as a 7.5/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity. Profile 4 Things I thought were applicable to him include things like a strong sense of home and family, intermittent periods of bustling activity and relaxation, that hard work yields a sense of self-worth, and he tends to retreat when things become hurtful. Things that I thought disagreed with him include things like strong leadership and organizational skills, an egocentric attitude (many of the attributes of this profile were related to this), and a tendency to flatter and criticize carelessly. Overall, I rated Profile 4 as a 3/10 for how closely it describes Lobstrosity. What does this all mean? I suppose I'm saying that if the horoscopes presented are legit, then it should be that Profile 3 corresponds to 7/19/79 at 5:07 PM, White Plains, NY. However, if it does, that doesn't necessarily mean that the horoscope is legit, it merely supports it. Another however, if Profile 3 does not match his birth info, it gives strong evidence that the horoscope is not legit. Now, what did he and his wife have to say about this?

07-28-2003, 07:58 PM	#9
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	SUMMARY of summaries: 1) 1/10 2) 3.5/10 3) 1/10 4) 0/10 I know, I know, I'm probably overcritical, but I really don't see myself in any of those. Profile 2 was the closest, but I still felt it was way off the mark in critical areas. My true birthday is 7/19/79, so now all that remains is to find out which profile was actually mine. Oh, and here's how my wife scored me: 1) 2/10 2) 9/10 3) 0/10 4) 6/10

07-28-2003, 08:09 PM	#10
Bag of Ass Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Torrance, California Posts: 17	My summary: 1. 5/10 2. 5.5/10 3. 7.5/10 4. 3/10 The difference between our three responses suggests that either we don't know Lobstrosity well enough, that we're all differently biased, or that we tended to focus on different parts of the profiles and hence weighted things differently. Go go gadget Profile 3!

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