Calzaer

In THIS thread, yguy makes a couple of statements that, individually, are rather innocuous debate material. Taken together, however, the pain a disturbing picture.

The first is rather common; he believes in no sex before marriage. Nothing sinister there, right?

The second is less commonly expressed, but in and of itself just slightly aggrivating. When asked what a woman should do if she cannot find a man smarter than herself, his advice is "that she not marry."

Putting those two beliefs together, however, creates a frightening system: This system severely restricts the opportunities for women of above-average intelligence to reproduce.

In this set-up, a woman's IQ is inversely proportional to her ability to find a suitable mate. The dumber a woman is, the quicker she's able to get married, as there are lots of men smarter than her, and the sooner she'll be able to begin producing offspring. At the other end of the bell curve, a high-IQ woman will spend a much longer time searching for a mate simply because there are many fewer mates to be had. By the time she finds one, she's going to be much closer to the end of her reproductive life cycle, and therefore produce fewer, if any, children.

The end result: Smart women are bread right out of the system, and the mean female IQ drops to well below the current mean.

But it gets worse. Intelligence isn't just a function of IQ, it's a function of education as well. There's yet another inverse relationship between the amount of formal education a woman recieves and the speed at which she can begin to reproduce. A girl who never went to school at all will have a large pool of men smarter than her to chose from; she could be married off as soon as she hits reproductive maturity. A college-educated woman, on the other hand, has a much more difficult time finding proper mate under this system.

End result: Education for women becomes undesireable, and women who do have the education drive are, again, bread right out of the system.

Which means that not only will women of lower potential become the average, they won't be encouraged/permitted to recieve an education to even meet the lowered potential. Women become, to put it bluntly, dumb as rocks inside a few generations. The implications of that are obvious; women can't get jobs, they stay home, produce babies, and maybe learn to read so they can use a cookbook more effectively (provided the man is exceptionally confident in his superiority, but of course he'll have to severely restrict her access to books other than the ones in the kitchen).

That makes things even MORE surreal. A woman currently in the formal educational system who finds a mate must immediately drop out of that system; otherwise she runs the risk of BECOMING smarter than her husband, and that's a real no-no. Because, according to yguy, a household in which the woman is smarter than the man is (somehow) detrimental to the children. If the wife becomes smarter than the husband through continued schooling, he'll have to throw her out and marry a dumber woman, for the sake of the kids.

Christian eugenics at work here, folks. This is some scary shit.

brighid

Why do you think I am not married to a man who thinks like this?

Unfortunately, this has been the case for a long time and before a few decades ago this was the norm.

Brighid

keyser_soze

While I find Yguy's rather oppressive belief system to be antiquated, and it can hardly be said that we agree on much....I don't think that it is a kind thing to do to create a thread for the sole purpose of deriding said backward system. I could be wrong however.

edit: btw, this belief is hardly given only to yguy, it is more a religious based, or old chauvinistic holdover. I don't think holding him responsible for this system is fair. He has even shown the willingness to accept new information, and change is view based on this, so this can change as well.

Calzaer

I posted this because I don't think many people in the discussion realize how they connect together. They see "smart women shouldn't marry" and "no sex outside of marriage" in separate little boxes; I'm trying to get more people to put the two together. Right now we're arguing the idea based on yguy's rampant use of facts-not-in-evidence, nobody has yet brought up the inherent eugenic aspect because it hasn't been overtly stated. We're working with trees; I'm trying to show the whole forest.

Calzaer

...and quintuple post. Teach me to keep hitting the button when the lab computer decides to go on the fritz.

(Geez Calzaer, you must be the one causing all the server busy errors too - you set a new record for duplicate posts (now deleted). Get that itchy trigger finger fixed! - Michael)

keyser_soze

I see that. All six times.

miss djax

for me, there are several troubling things about this line of analysis, and its outside of the eugenics factor..

the extension of yguys philosophy is that there is something wrong and shameful in being a smart woman. that it should be discouraged.

that smart women can't, or shouldn't even get married. forget that you can't have children, you plain ol' can't get married because you are smart....

i could go on, but this line of analysis is making me sad..




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miss djax

Ab_Normal

I am not changing my name to "ofEdgar". [/margaret atwood]

sweep

the sanctity of 'marriage' and the value of 'smartness', can easily be undermined. holy matrimony cured the problem of unwanted children in the past. We can't reliably assess intelligence without bias. People possess different talents. It isn't any good having an IQ of 150, when you can't bring in the moolaa, for instance.

Today, many people fuck like bunnies, and accidents do tend to happen, with alarming frequency. unfortunately, many of these people suffer from the BREEDER mentality, and the world fills up with trash accordingly.

people with differing levels of maturity, responsibility & raw talent will have babies regardless of any notion of marriage or intelligence.

yguy

Thanks for the consideration, dude, but it doesn't bother me in the least.

Just one clarification: I'm not proposing any "system" to ensure that women "marry up" - that would be a superficially moral form of social engineering. I'm suggesting that women do it on an individual basis, as they see the wisdom of it. If it were done en masse, it would have the effect of encouraging men to become smarter than they are rather than zoning out in front of the tube or some other such mind-rotting activity. Of course, a lot of men would hate the idea for precisely that reason.