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-DM- · 10-01-2002, 05:06 PM

New Kiosk article, <a href="http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=229" target="_blank">The Creationist Holy War</a> by John Bice.

-Don-

scigirl · 10-01-2002, 05:35 PM

Great article - thanks for pointing it out. My fave excerpts:

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Furthermore, "God of the Gaps" should clearly be offensive to theists. Giving God responsibility over only those things whose naturalistic mechanism we don't fully understand, would trivialize God's role. Would a theist truly be satisfied with an argument which meekly asserted "well . . . the Almighty is at least responsible for the flagellum of a bacterium?" That's just pathetic.

haha!

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While Paley's watch may very well have been a Rolex, the watch I have in mind is more of the quality typically received as a gift with a paid magazine subscription. Let's suppose, after a comprehensive examination, we learn that this watch is constructed from recycled parts from other machines, and some parts don't seem to have a purpose at all. The watch keeps inaccurate time, and has a very short working life before it begins to seriously malfunction and finally fail completely. One could infer from this the designer was simply lazy. He could possibly have made a better watch if he had tried harder.

hahaha!

scigirl

Aethari · 10-01-2002, 06:53 PM

It wasn't because the designer was lazy. Clearly, the inept and greedy labor union (Satan and the Fallen Angels) butchered the production of the watch with shoddy worksmanship and strikes. It wasn't the designers fault

-Aethari

Camaban · 10-01-2002, 10:55 PM

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Clearly, the inept and greedy labor union (Satan and the Fallen Angels) butchered the production of the watch with shoddy worksmanship and strikes. It wasn't the designers fault

What I've always wondered is this:

How could god have so completely lost control of this world to Satan?

*pictures god on Satan's leash being hit by a horsewhip and Satan saying "Bark, Bitch"*

Camaban · 10-01-2002, 11:19 PM

on another note, linked to from that site is

<a href="http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/archive/wedge_document.html" target="_blank">http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/archive/wedge_document.html</a>

(The "Wedge" Strategy")

and this <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/archive/thomas_wedge.html" target="_blank">http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/archive/thomas_wedge.html</a>

Linked to from the above site.

Interesting reads for any that haven't noticed/come across them before.

Oolon Colluphid · 10-02-2002, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Aethari:
<strong>It wasn't because the designer was lazy. Clearly, the inept and greedy labor union (Satan and the Fallen Angels) butchered the production of the watch with shoddy worksmanship and strikes. It wasn't the designers fault

-Aethari</strong>

Ah, the old 'poor designs derive from the Fall' argument again...

Oolon

scumble · 10-02-2002, 06:43 AM

The big problem seems to be ignorance in the American population. It's a further confirmation that some religious figures want a kind of mind-opressing government as well.

Kosh · 10-02-2002, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Aethari:
<strong>It wasn't because the designer was lazy. Clearly, the inept and greedy labor union (Satan and the Fallen Angels) butchered the production of the watch with shoddy worksmanship and strikes. It wasn't the designers fault

-Aethari</strong>

"The fabric of the universe is full of holes. It was a real botch job, we only had 6 days, ya know!"
- Time Bandits

Peez · 10-02-2002, 09:09 AM

I had to lol at this:

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In fact, in my estimation, humanists' ethics have already surpassed those offered by Christianity--granted they did not set the bar very high.

Good article.

Peez

Neruda · 10-02-2002, 10:06 AM

very nice! that gets bookmarked.

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-DM- Honorary Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: West Coast Posts: 5,714	The Creationist Holy War New Kiosk article, <a href="http://www.secweb.org/asset.asp?AssetID=229" target="_blank">The Creationist Holy War</a> by John Bice. -Don-

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10-01-2002, 06:53 PM	#3
Aethari Veteran Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 1,635	It wasn't because the designer was lazy. Clearly, the inept and greedy labor union (Satan and the Fallen Angels) butchered the production of the watch with shoddy worksmanship and strikes. It wasn't the designers fault -Aethari

10-01-2002, 11:19 PM	#5
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	on another note, linked to from that site is <a href="http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/archive/wedge_document.html" target="_blank">http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/archive/wedge_document.html</a> (The "Wedge" Strategy") and this <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/archive/thomas_wedge.html" target="_blank">http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/archive/thomas_wedge.html</a> Linked to from the above site. Interesting reads for any that haven't noticed/come across them before.

10-02-2002, 06:43 AM	#7
scumble Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 279	The big problem seems to be ignorance in the American population. It's a further confirmation that some religious figures want a kind of mind-opressing government as well.

10-02-2002, 10:06 AM	#10
Neruda Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 80	very nice! that gets bookmarked.

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