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Soul Invictus · 11-03-2002, 01:10 PM

Anyone care to give any reputable sources or overview how this conference came about, why it did and the implications it has had on organized religion?

Also, one project I've been engaging on is finding sources that will help with me put the puzzle together on how the organization of religion was founded. I'm wondering what effects the Catholic Church had on Christianity and the politics of the time, stemming during and/or before the Roman Empire. With the atrocities done in the name of religion, I'm looking to get a substantial overview of the how religious and political advancers used the name of God to further territorial expansion, (thereby seizing valuable natural resources) and suppressing the local culture (ex. Hyksos and Africa and other conquests)

Thanks

ghiangelo · 11-03-2002, 01:41 PM

try punching the name John Romer into Google. Romer is a great guy to listen to with a very good way of showing the viewer/reader what was exactly going on in the heads of ancient peoples and how they rationalized their world. there is a good documentary series he did on the development of Byzantium where in it he discusses the emergence of the Constantine tradition and variation of christianity and how it influenced europe and asia minor. the Nicea conference is discussed also and how the establishment of a Divine Trinity influenced scriptural interpretations at the time. most notably how it produced a divine completion of the gospel message of the returned Christ and New Order under Jesus. essentially the new religion of the roman empire was seen as the fulfillment of the gospel prophesy and Constantine was made to be the embodiment of Christ returned.

this is the irony of history... the second coming actually happened so to speak. Christianity won over the romans and a great new Kingdom under Christ was founded. but this was 1500+ years ago! yet for centuries after christian sects are still waiting for what has already happened long ago...

ghi

[ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: ghiangelo ]

Peter Kirby · 11-03-2002, 05:40 PM

Roger Pearse has put together some of the ancient sources on the subject:

<a href="http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html" target="_blank">http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html</a>

Hope this helps.

best,
Peter Kirby

onegreatperson · 11-11-2002, 05:36 PM

As i have heard the council of LICE AND NICODECIA (sounds like a hookers name). Was an account of a bunch of religious celebate horny people who "heard the voice of god" after they laid about 200 books on a table, and all but 66 fell off! Hmmmmmm........that is what I heard. But if it is true, then I wish I could have been there, because if I was then I would have dropped all but 77 books, get it 777 and not 666....oooooohhhhhh that scary christianity hocus pocus hippity bippity bobbity BOO!
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CX · 11-12-2002, 05:55 AM

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Defiant Heretic · 11-16-2002, 08:59 PM

Onegreatperson: Didn't I explain to you <a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=001336" target="_blank">here</a> that the upper forums are meant for serious discussion only?

Either think of something intelligent to say, or post in Humor or RR&P.

Frivolous · 11-22-2002, 07:29 PM

The Council of Nicaea deserves more respect than being ridiculed in such a manner. I do not often see Christians ridiculing politicians and other prominent figures so inappropriately

Daggah · 11-23-2002, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Frivolous:
The Council of Nicaea deserves more respect than being ridiculed in such a manner. I do not often see Christians ridiculing politicians and other prominent figures so inappropriately

*cough* Bill Clinton *cough*
*cough* any other liberal *cough*

Your ignorance is staggering.

Frivolous · 11-24-2002, 05:08 AM

But the Council of Nicaea didnt do anything wrong

Ron Garrett · 11-25-2002, 08:34 AM

Anyone who has actually read the complete histories of the ecumencial councils and still retains any confidence in the results or respect for the major participants needs to raise their standards.

The best reference I've found is:
The First Seven Ecumenical Councils (325-787): Their History and Theology
Leo Donald Davis ,Liturgical Press, July 1990

[ November 25, 2002: Message edited by: Ron Garrett ]

11-03-2002, 01:10 PM	#1
Soul Invictus Contributor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 15,576	Council of Nicea Anyone care to give any reputable sources or overview how this conference came about, why it did and the implications it has had on organized religion? Also, one project I've been engaging on is finding sources that will help with me put the puzzle together on how the organization of religion was founded. I'm wondering what effects the Catholic Church had on Christianity and the politics of the time, stemming during and/or before the Roman Empire. With the atrocities done in the name of religion, I'm looking to get a substantial overview of the how religious and political advancers used the name of God to further territorial expansion, (thereby seizing valuable natural resources) and suppressing the local culture (ex. Hyksos and Africa and other conquests) Thanks

11-03-2002, 01:41 PM	#2
ghiangelo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: vancouver, bc Posts: 30	try punching the name John Romer into Google. Romer is a great guy to listen to with a very good way of showing the viewer/reader what was exactly going on in the heads of ancient peoples and how they rationalized their world. there is a good documentary series he did on the development of Byzantium where in it he discusses the emergence of the Constantine tradition and variation of christianity and how it influenced europe and asia minor. the Nicea conference is discussed also and how the establishment of a Divine Trinity influenced scriptural interpretations at the time. most notably how it produced a divine completion of the gospel message of the returned Christ and New Order under Jesus. essentially the new religion of the roman empire was seen as the fulfillment of the gospel prophesy and Constantine was made to be the embodiment of Christ returned. this is the irony of history... the second coming actually happened so to speak. Christianity won over the romans and a great new Kingdom under Christ was founded. but this was 1500+ years ago! yet for centuries after christian sects are still waiting for what has already happened long ago... ghi [ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: ghiangelo ]</p>

11-25-2002, 08:34 AM	#10
Ron Garrett Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: United States Posts: 1,657	Anyone who has actually read the complete histories of the ecumencial councils and still retains any confidence in the results or respect for the major participants needs to raise their standards. The best reference I've found is: The First Seven Ecumenical Councils (325-787): Their History and Theology Leo Donald Davis ,Liturgical Press, July 1990 [ November 25, 2002: Message edited by: Ron Garrett ]</p>

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11-03-2002, 05:40 PM	#3
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Roger Pearse has put together some of the ancient sources on the subject: <a href="http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html" target="_blank">http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html</a> Hope this helps. best, Peter Kirby

11-11-2002, 05:36 PM	#4
onegreatperson Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 22	As i have heard the council of LICE AND NICODECIA (sounds like a hookers name). Was an account of a bunch of religious celebate horny people who "heard the voice of god" after they laid about 200 books on a table, and all but 66 fell off! Hmmmmmm........that is what I heard. But if it is true, then I wish I could have been there, because if I was then I would have dropped all but 77 books, get it 777 and not 666....oooooohhhhhh that scary christianity hocus pocus hippity bippity bobbity BOO! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

11-16-2002, 08:59 PM	#6
Defiant Heretic Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,288	Onegreatperson: Didn't I explain to you <a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=001336" target="_blank">here</a> that the upper forums are meant for serious discussion only? Either think of something intelligent to say, or post in Humor or RR&P.

11-22-2002, 07:29 PM	#7
Frivolous Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 101	The Council of Nicaea deserves more respect than being ridiculed in such a manner. I do not often see Christians ridiculing politicians and other prominent figures so inappropriately

11-24-2002, 05:08 AM	#9
Frivolous Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 101	But the Council of Nicaea didnt do anything wrong

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