ax

Should monkeys exsist according to evolution?
If we came from monkeys, why are they still around? And if monkeys came from primordeal ooze,
where's the ooze??.The basis for evolution is about as credible as 6 day creation I rekon.
Are there any christians out there who believe in God using evolution?? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Pomp

ax,

If we came from monkeys, why are they still around? And if monkeys came from primordeal ooze,
where's the ooze?

Make up your mind. Do you want to have your cake or do you want to eat it? You can't simultaneously complain that the ancestors of one species are still present and that the ancestors of another are not.

Coragyps

Was your grandmother still around when you were born? If so, why?

And more to the point: humans and apes have a common ancestor. Humans, apes, and monkeys have an older common ancestor.
You and your first cousins have a common grandmother. You and your second cousins have a common great-grandmother.
So why are you still around, since you have living second cousins?

I'm not trying to be insulting, but you share a common misconception about species origins and extinctions. Great-grandpa may be dead, but he may have left a bunch of red-headed cousins that you've never met.

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KeithHarwood

The standard of trolls these days is really pathetic. How about we let Tricia have this one? Just for practice.

freemonkey

3 guesses.

Late_Cretaceous

Actually monkeys have been out-competing apes since the Miocene. Apes were once much more diverse and widespread then today but have been in a steady decline over a period of time that corresponds to an increase in the number of monkey species. Maybe it's their ability to digest unripend fruit, or higher reproduction rates. Whatever, monkeys are often presented as being inferior simply because they are older.

Queen of Swords

Assuming you're still here, ax, check your private messages.

pescifish

freemonkeys and monkeybots definitely should

Oolon Colluphid

As others have noted, one living species is no 'older' than any other. They are all here in the present. It's not difficult really: one ancestor can leave more than one descendant; through evolution, one ancestral species can have more than one descendant species, through split populations and the erection of reproductive barriers. (As each gradually, down generations, becomes adapted to its particular niche, the adaptions which make it good in that niche need protecting from genetic dilution, so there is pressure for isolating mechanisms to evolve. there's a whole range of such mechanisms.)

As to 'inferior', ditto 'lowly' bacteria. You'd have a hard job justifying them as being 'inferior'! They're everywhere in profusion (for ex, in our bodies, they outnumber our own body cells ten to one), can live in environments where nothing else can (in temperatures of over 100C, on the cooling rods of nuclear reactors, etc), can rapidly evolve to 'outwit' hazards in ingenious ways (eg antibiotics, and see <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000703" target="_blank">this thread</a>), can reproduce like crazy, and there is an incredible amount of bacterial biodiversity. As predators, they can lay low the mightiest. Inferior??

Nothing that's alive today is inferior to any other. All have made made it through millions of generational hoops to be here today.

If this thread goes much further (eg if ax returns), can we have it in E/C please?

Cheers, Oolon

Marduk

"Are there any christians out there who believe in God using evolution?? "


Yes, many, it's the offical position of the entire Catholic Church.