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Old 03-01-2003, 07:51 PM   #1
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What plantlife could survive a forty-day inundation? I'm sure many species could, but I would imagine that many could not.
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What plantlife could survive a forty-day inundation? I'm sure many species could, but I would imagine that many could not.
Read the relevent passages in Genesis. The inundation was far longer than 40 days which is how long it rained.

The problem for the YECs is worse than you said.
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Noah also had a sample of every plant on earth on the ark too that was on thorough guy.
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Good point, Valentine.
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Read the relevent passages in Genesis. The inundation was far longer than 40 days which is how long it rained.

The problem for the YECs is worse than you said.
Not that 40 days is really explainable either. Pretty much, here is the rundown.

1) Rains 40 days/nights Gen 7:12
2) Afer 150 days, God "remembers" of Noah Gen 7:24
3) 40 "more" days Noah sent out a raven Gen 8:7
4) Oh wait, maybe it was a Dove Gen 8:8
5) 14 more days, a couple more flights and finally it is dry.

So it looks like 204 days, at least, depending on how you read the story.
Of course, there are two flood stories here, but you really won't be arguing that fact with them, so the number is clearly over 200 days.

This question is what has led to the local flood theory. A global flood which created hundreds of feet of sedimentary rock, could not have possibly left any plant life behind.
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I've read that Charles Darwin himself did some research on this - specifically how long various seeds would remain viable after soaking in seawater. I don't know where this was published, and I think it was intended to look into seed dispersal rather than to debunk Fluds.
I'm willing to bet that if you soak a wheat field in seawater for half a year, no wheat will be growable there for at least several tens of years. There are bare patches all over West Texas where salt water was spilled out of oil wells in the 1930's or so....
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The fact that the entire geological column is supposed to have been laid down during and just after the flood might pose a bit of a problem too.
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The fact that the entire geological column is supposed to have been laid down during and just after the flood might pose a bit of a problem too.
The geological column is a myth, you know that!

Name one place where the entire geological column can be seen from start to finish! One place!!!!
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Darwin himself had found that many plants' seeds can survive drifting in seawater, so surviving a big flood would not have been a big problem in many cases.

However, a planetwide flood would have dispersed seeds all across the globe, which is plainly contrary to known biogeography.
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The geological column is a myth, you know that!

Name one place where the entire geological column can be seen from start to finish! One place!!!!
Sorry, I can't name one place. How about a few dozen?



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