Totalitarianist

<a href="http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm" target="_blank">http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm</a>

Stalin explains it fairly well for those of you unaquainted with dialectical materialism.

Keith Russell

Lady:

Marxism is still a system of belief with a very mystical basis.

Marxism substitutes 'the State' or 'the Party' for 'God', and asks that the authority of the State be accepted unquestioningly, just as Christianity asks that 'God's' authority be taken 'on faith', unquestioningly.

My atheism results from the fact that I reject all forms of mysticism, including Marxism.

Keith.

Totalitarianist

Most absurd thing I have ever heard. What is mystical about it? What part of it, exactly, is "mystical"? Marxism is an Atheist philosophy. The only philosophy that fits your discription of Marxism, which unlike Marxism is not scientific, is Hegelianism. A scientific philosophy is impossible with mysticism. Marxism is a scientific philosophy. It follows that Marxism can have nothing to do with mysticism. In fact, it would be self-contradictory and impossible.

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Dr. Retard

Marxism is scientific like creation science is scientific.

I can hear Duane Gish stammering, "You claim that I am woefully unscientific. But creation science can't be unscientific, by definition!"

Christopher Lord

"Marxism is a scientific philosophy"

Thats great. Could you explain which part, exactly?

I've read the key documents Marx wrote, and I also think it is completely unfounded, similar to creationisim.

Economics is pretty close to a real science. When you take Econ classes at a university, you learn about the 'theoretical underpinnings of a market', including detailed math, and explainations regarding the importaint uncertainties at play when the math doesnt produce correct results.

Communism has nothing like this. Communism 101 would be a jumbled attempt to convince me I am a proletariat, and that I should revolt. This is not science!!!! this is indoctrination of the most obvious sort.

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I am

If they want to call it science, fine. Falsify it! You know it doesn't have to be correct to be science.

<a href="http://www.theonion.com/onion3842/marxists_apartment.html" target="_blank">Why Marxism doesnt work.</a>

Vorkosigan

Lady A Stoner:

Why do you keeping posting on Marxist topics? What is your purpose?

Totalitarianist

What a weak analogy.

Totalitarianist

Dialectical materialism. (<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=56&t=000445" target="_blank">this</a> post.) Socialism is scientific: Just as scientists arrive at their generalisations by observing the phenomena of the material world, likewise do the socialist and communist theories arrive at generalisations drawn from economic facts.

"They stick to facts. They live in the real world and not in the spiritualist regions of scholasticism. The society we are striving for differs from the present but by formal modifications. Indeed, the society of the future is contained in the present society as the young bird is in the egg. Modern socialism is as yet more of a scientific doctrine than of a political party creed. . . . And strange to say, the international is of purely national descent: it proceeds from the German philosophy. If there be a grain of truth in the prating of "German" science, then the scientific German can only be found in his philosophic speculation. This speculation is on the whole an adventurous journey, yet at the same time a voyage of discovery. As the clumsy musket of our forefathers represents a necessary stage to the Prussian needle gun of the present time, so the metaphysical speculations of a Leibnitz, Kant, Fichte, Hegel are the inevitable paths leading up to the scientific proposition, that the idea, the conception, the logic or the thinking are not the premise, but the result of material phenomena. The interminable discussions between idealism and materialism, between nominalists and spiritualists on the one hand, and the realists or sensualists on the other hand, as to whether the idea was produced by the world or the world by the idea, and which of the two was the cause or the effect--this discussion, I say, forms the essence of philosophy. Its mission was to solve the antithesis between thought and being, between the ideal and the material."

Curious. Why?

False. Communism is an economic theory.

Totalitarianist

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