Dr Rick

I was wrong; A person with a flat-line EEG may be conscious. A flat line EEG is not the equivalent of a non-functioning brain; which means:

...is also wrong.

Do you understand why a rock is not conscious?

...and by the way, what do NDE's have to do with fetal brain function and when "life begins at what point?"

yguy

OK, fair enough.

The real question is, do you understand why a person IS conscious?

The answer, of course, is no.

I answered that already.

Roland98

Hmm, shall I take that as my apology?

yguy

You gotta be kidding. For what?

Roland98

Dr Rick

In part, but it's not necessaary to understand it to know some of the conditions required for consciousness.

A brain is necessary for consciousness. That is why a baby born without a brain (anencephaly) is not conscious and never will be. That is also why a rock and a zygote are not conscious.

Even having a brain alone is not enough to have consciousness; a person with a non-functioning brain is not conscious, either. That's why we can do surgery on people without them being conscious and in agony.

Could you please repost your answer to this question; I can't find it, and since you posted it already, it should be just a simple matter for you to copy and past it on this page.:

"...and by the way, what do NDE's have to do with fetal brain function and when 'life begins at what point?'"

yguy

Roland98, you still don't get it, do you?

What I took objection to was your contention that there was no discrepancy between your and Dr Rick's position regarding EEG and consciousness - not the intrinsic validity of your position, which I am in no position to judge. I WAS in a position to judge the former.

yguy

Dr Rick: U da man, yguy, but please be aware that all this shows is that there is uncertainty about the nature of NDE's;



yguy: And by extension, the nature of consciousness itself.

Roland98

You misunderstand my point. It wasn't that there was no difference between my and his opinion regarding EEG and consciousness, but rather that the issue of NDEs and consciousness was the same, and the EEG issue was trivial.

Here's Dr. Rick's statement:

and here's another:

and here's another:

On these important issues, we're in complete agreement; it's the EEG/consciousness one that we posted differently.

then I said, when you pointed out the "discrepancy":

which is supported by the above quotes.

I hate to tell people they're mistaken unless I'm 100% sure I know otherwise, which is why I was not hesitant to call you out, yguy, but I thought perhaps Dr. Rick had other info that refuted the article I posted, and didn't want to make an issue out of it when we agreed on the important part, in bold above. Of course, I guess tact and politeness aren't values instilled in everyone.

yguy

Had you said that, it would have been a different thing, but what you said was:

"Our stories jibe completely--"

when in fact you differed on a key point. Dr Rick obviously saw that, which is why he corrected himself.