Gemma Therese

Yes, yes, I am trying to help you.

Gemma Therese

kwigibo

the best laid plans of mice - Benji Mouse

Splat

Ah! No fair! She's not a famous saint nun!

And aside from firming up our convictions about theism, what exactly would that look like?

Plebe

While we're talking about "Hell" howzabout the origin and influence of non Judeo-Christian religions on the evolution
<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1994/4/4devol94.html" target="_blank">http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1994/4/4devol94.html</a>
of the concept in the Judeo-Christian tradition not to mention the Hindu and later Hellenic influence? [See: <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1994/3/3hare94.html" target="_blank">http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1994/3/3hare94.html</a>
for "Hare Jesus: Christianity's Hindu Heritage" by Stephen Van Eck. For anyone curious you might want to go into the search engine here at Infidels and key in the following in addition to "Hell":
1)"Forgeries in Christianity by Joseph Wheless" [or simply look for this author and others mentioned here.]
2)"Old Testament Life and Literature by Gerald Larue" For criticism, a short form of information can be had at
<a href="http://www.atheists.org/church/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.atheists.org/church/index.html</a>
3)Zoroaster, Zoroastrianism, Ahura Mazda
4)Sixteen Crucified Saviors by Kersey Graves

Folks like Gemma Therese are simply ignorant of scholarship and sound science [ie: evolution for example] and this is why they remain believers, seeing what they believe vs. believing what they see. Oh, and speaking of scholarship, archaeology has a part in it too, check out the current stuff and ancient documents at <a href="http://www.tombofjesus.com" target="_blank">http://www.tombofjesus.com</a>

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Samhain

I see nothing to suggest such. Even if you were to suggest that you are trying to save us from hellfire, I see nothing in the content of your posts to suggest that you give a damn about us. Appeal to rationality, not religious platitudes or unreasonable nonsense or faulty sources, or else, anything you say is truly worthless in many of our eyes. You actually seem to be quite hostile towards atheists. I am wondering if you have some kind of martyr syndrome. I suggest you look elsewhere to annoy and deceive, I don't buy for a second that you're trying to "help" anyone in any way. Nonsense.

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Gemma Therese

Nice try, Plebe, but I believe in evolution.

Gemma Therese

Stephen T-B

Surviving death?
Gemma: we do not survive death.
Death is where it comes to a complete and ever-lasting CRUMP!!!
Consider what our brains are and what they do.
As I understand it, they are a mass of living tissue which, with quanitities of blood, chemical activity and electrical impulses allow us to think, feel, communicate and move, which is why someone who’s brain dead can’t do any of these things. Right?
When we die, our brain rots in the grave or burns in the crem with all the rest of us.
So what, if we don’t have a working brain, is it that survives death in order to experience heaven or hell?
Can it add one and one?
And if there is something “outside’ the brain which can experience heaven or hell (and add one and one) what on Earth do we need brains for?
What’s the point if you can empty your skull with a ladle and continue to be conscious of your surroundings and perhaps, even to communicate?
You see, while it makes sense to you that minus your brain you’ll be able to experience the love of god or the desolation of being separated from him, it doesn’t to me.
Fact is, it’s delusional.
You need a brain to think, Gemma. No brain = no thoughts. No thoughts = no consciousness.
In other words: complete and ever-lasting CRUMP!!!

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Veil of Fire

In order to feel pain, we have to be alive. Dead people don't feel pain. So in order for hell to hurt, we have to have eternal life to suffer it. But Jesus said only people who believe in him will have eternal life.

...so was Jesus wrong, in that I can have eternal life without him?

Pensee

Oxidizing Material--

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beoba

Almost exactly my thoughts OM

As for the hell thing:

Eternity is a long time, it would get boring no matter which direction you went.