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wildernesse · 04-29-2003, 04:51 PM

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Is truth determined by the facts of your birth?

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Depends. But then I don't know that I (or anyone else) knows what absolute truth (if it exists) is. I do the best I can--I imagine others do as well.

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Is truth determined pragmatically, ie by how well it works?

Actually, I would hope so. I don't know that truth would be truth if it didn't work for anyone.

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You seem to imply "Christianity is true for me, and Hinduism is true for the Hindu". But that means truth is relative. I thought Christian theists were against this notion. "Christianity true for everyone, and all else false for everyone", so I learned.

Maybe truth is relative. Almost everything is. I'm a Christian theist, so maybe your idea of what a Christian theist needs to be broadened. Or you could always say I'm not a True Christian, and keep your ideas as narrow as you like--this seems to work for many people.

--tibac

wildernesse · 04-29-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Paperstreet
I assumed you saw the parody in my comment. I don't say so, the bible, and followers of Christianity do.

As a Christian, I don't say so. So, a more accurate statement would be that some Christians say so.

--tibac

Badfish · 04-29-2003, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Rhea
to NOT be a Hindu?

What arguments did you use to reject it?

I'm really interested in specifically what criteria are valid for rejecting a religion. I'm sure you all have well-developed senses of criteria because you have honestly explored other religions before rejecting them. You may ask how I know this and it's because you cheerfully and innocently believe (in general) that if we just examined your religion we would not be able to find reasons to reject it as false. So, it follows that you have clear and well-traveled criteria for How to Honestly and Reasonably Reject a Religion.

Please share the process!

The process? If it was correct, it would be more well known than Christianity.

Notice how theres not any Hindu's here, only Christians and atheist/agnostics, and an occasional Pagan?

Why haven't we heard the message of Hinduism?

christ-on-a-stick · 04-29-2003, 05:22 PM

In the "Ask A Christian" thread a while back, I wrote:

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I personally have never met a Christian who went about the task of methodically investigating all of the religions, not assuming any of them to be true from the outset, critically examined them all using the same criteria and ended up "picking" Christianity and discarding the others based on the evidence. Has anyone else?

The only response I got was this from HelenM -

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I haven't met him but I've heard a tape of him speaking and so I know that Hugh Ross of www.reasons.org "Reason to Believe"
ministry says he spent two years doing that and ended up choosing Christianity and discarding the rest based on the evidence.

Unfortunately, in perusing his website at that link, I found that while he claims to have done so there certainly isn't any elucidation of the process or what he found, so....???

Demigawd · 04-29-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Why haven't we heard the message of Hinduism?

Demographics, I would imagine. That coupled with the fact Hinduism is not an evangelical religion.

Badfish · 04-29-2003, 05:25 PM

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I personally have never met a Christian who went about the task of methodically investigating all of the religions, not assuming any of them to be true from the outset, critically examined them all using the same criteria and ended up "picking" Christianity and discarding the others based on the evidence. Has anyone else?

No I haven't. Don't need to, Christ is the real God, all others are offshoots and false religions that mimicked the Christian/YHWH religion.

christ-on-a-stick · 04-29-2003, 05:27 PM

You're kidding, right? Um, how would you *know* this if you hadn't looked into it?

Badfish · 04-29-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by christ-on-a-stick
You're kidding, right? Um, how would you *know* this if you hadn't looked into it?

No I'm not kidding, the first manuscripts ever found tell of YHWH, I haven't seen conclusive evidence that any other religious writings predate these.

Infidelettante · 04-29-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by wildernesse
Why search for a new "truth" when the old one works for you? I see no reason to change my worldview when the way it currently stands, since my needs are met.--tibac

I find this such an interesting quote from a theist. I have solved the *what is truth* question by saying *what works is true.*

So Wilderness, is truth for you defined as what works? If your religion stopped working for you would think it false or would you think the fault your's?

JT

Ojuice5001 · 04-29-2003, 05:38 PM

The Epic of Gilgamesh is the earliest writing we have, and it portrays the Sumerian gods. They existed before Yahweh.

Which just proves what I've been arguing on ChristianForums. Yahweh is just one of the many gods that exist. Only historical accident has made him special.

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christ-on-a-stick Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 7,116	You're kidding, right? Um, how would you know this if you hadn't looked into it?

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Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	The Epic of Gilgamesh is the earliest writing we have, and it portrays the Sumerian gods. They existed before Yahweh. Which just proves what I've been arguing on ChristianForums. Yahweh is just one of the many gods that exist. Only historical accident has made him special.

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