David M. Payne

You have me as to why my position is the cause of murder Amos. The rest of your post is pretty garbled as far as making sense to me too. But you are famous around here for that anyway.

David

"God and religion, the oldest scam in history, and it still sucks them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!"

NightWatchman

God killed no one, if youre referring to the old testament.

Its all a metaphor, cant you people get it!
Jeesh

Selsaral

You might as well try to convert them to Islam. Everyone interprets the bible in their own way, and your particular interpretation is in the tiny minority.

Amos

The point here is that we interpret the bible wrong and therefore we become the cause of murder. To be realistic about this you must admid that if God does not exist he cannot be a murderer and if we would read the bible as metaphor we would not act upon it and fight wars to defend our wrong interpretation. So now, believers with wrong opinion such as agnostics and other impoverished believers as opposed to gnostics and mystics are the cause of murder.

To know and understand determinism means that we will resign from politics because things are the way they are because they cannot be any other way. Hence, those who know will resign from politics as did Dr. Zhivago upon his return to civilization (Eden).

diana

Any further links or references to the SoB in this forum will be deleted.

My reasons are as follows:

1. While it is not unknown to start a thread with a link to one's own writing asking for comments, and to perhaps post a link or two from another thread where it might be relevant, there is a vast difference between this behavior and posting a link to the same story a couple dozen times (an estimation...I haven't bothered to count) every time you can possibly squeeze it into conversation.

2. If a Xn were to pop in here and do the same thing with anything he'd written, he'd have probably been banned for annoying self-promotion long ago. I think infidels should be held to the same standards we hold believers to in our forums. I don't care how good the article is or who published it where. It isn't fair to play favorites.

3. The author is only as good as his last book or article. If you desire further discussion about the SoB, post it on another BB for fresh opinions. Feel free to write something new to post here.

4. If you wish to continue promoting the SoB, consider setting up your own website, get yourself in a search engine, or pay for advertisement.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

d

Selsaral

I understand that. My point is that there will never be an agreement on any single interpretation of the bible. There are drastic differences in different sects' interpretations, almost creating different religions around them. And as we all know, very very rarely does a theist change anything about their outlook on religion, god etc. You may have a convincing case that the christian bible was meant as metaphor, but everyone will ignore that argument just as they ignore the atheists who argue it's historically innacurate, theologically inconsistent, philisophically impossible etc. I can't imagine a case you could make that would be strong enough to convince even 20 'real' christians to change their interpretation of the bible, paricularly that drastically. Personally, I find the argument that the bible is metaphor extremely interesting and quite plausible, but an extremely small number of christians will. As I said, you might as well and try and convert them all to a different religion, than to convince them to alter their interpretation.

David M. Payne

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FarSeeker

DP, posted February 25, 2002 06:14 PM
FarSeeker:
DP, maybe the reason theists don’t like to debate you is that all you do is that you constantly repeat the old, invalid and disproved lies of your faith. You don’t use logic or reason, you have only your rabid hatred of Christians which makes you make all these false statements (I can’t legitimately call them lies because I can’t prove you know they are false). Now, however, if you want to talk about Atheists’ seemingly endless need to tell falsehoods, thru deceit or ignorance, in these debates, that’s an interesting topic, but it's one you avoid like the plague.

First what do you mean “able to do anything”? Again, He did not murder them; He judged them guilty of crimes, and executed them. You’re asking the equivalent of, “how anyone can support the judges who send people to jail or execute people like Ted Bundy?”

The reader should note how easily DP falls to the level of insults. He uses insults to repeatedly assert his superiority, which is plainly apparent in his self aggrandizing reference to his plagiarized story of boob. That arrogance is another attribute Atheism gives to Marxism.

How can anyone worship God? It is easy to understand; He loves us even when we turn away from Him. Atheists only put up with you when you bow to them.

More untruths from DP (I can’t call them lies because I can’t disprove his ignorance). Not even the Catholic Church holds that sex is only for reproduction. I suggest that if you are going to display your ignorance and hatred of Christianity, you do it elsewhere (I find it revealing that while I my posts are called rants and I am threaten for them, you can get away with ranting because you’re a fellow Atheist, altho diana seems to now be restraining you). You should do some research before you actually make such false statements. The Catholic Church does not oppose family planning (and I don’t think it opposes all birth control, it just limits the choices). Most Protestant denominations do not oppose the use of birth control by married couples, but they do oppose extra-marital sex, making anything else a moot point (I think DP has swallowed Atheist propaganda to skip the trouble of research). Of course, it’s that sanctity of life mumbo jumbo that make it wrong to murder humans, which is something not all Atheists agree on (like the Marxists, Dr. Singer and others).

But as long as people keep falling for the lies of Atheism, we will see more evil in the world, and that is really depressing!

Atheists operate on a numbers game, the more followers they have, the more power they take from those who disagree with them, which is what DP is proposing. The rest of their lies are a smoke screen to fool those who want to take a deeper look at the world. It sure is working on an awful lot of people.

FarSeeker

My point is that there will never be an agreement on any single interpretation Atheism. There are drastic differences in different groups' interpretations, almost creating different religions around them. And as we all know, very very rarely does a Atheist change anything about their outlook on religion, god etc. You may have a convincing case that your opinions are the only reasonable ones, but everyone will ignore that argument just as they ignore God. I can't imagine a case you could make that would be strong enough to convince even 20 'real' Atheists to change their reasoning, paricularly that drastically. Personally, I find the argument that your opinions are the only truly reasonable ones extremely interesting, but an extremely small number of Atheists will. As I said, you might as well and try and convert them all to a different religion, than to convince them to alter their interpretation.

David M. Payne

Sorry diana etc, but I must reply to this! (The rest of FS's post is his usual stuff, I invite the readers to read this thread, if you have the time, it's pretty long now, and draw your own conclusions as to whether FS here or I have the better arguments.)

I am assuming you are referring to the Story of Bob when you speak of my plagiarizing, as this is a serious charge, put up or shut up FS! As I know this is a lie by you FS, you need to get ready to apologize for it! If you are unable to prove you assertion that I plagiarized "The Story of Bob," and you will be unable to prove it FS, I expect your apology forth with, or I will lodge an official complaint with the Mods on your behavior here.

David

"God, and religion, the oldest scam in history, and they still suck them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!