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Ennazus · 07-10-2003, 06:10 AM

Don't they understand the "WE" in IGWT, doesn't include everybody? E Pluribus Unum is inclusive, their motto is exclusive and it doesn't belong on our money.

PopeInTheWoods · 07-10-2003, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Suzanne**Atheist
Andy, It wasn't your bill. This one did not have E Pluribus Unum written. I'm impressed you are able to get the preferred motto written on your bills!

I mostly work out of my house (except for times like last week when I was at a client's site), and need something fairly mindless to do while I'm on conference calls....

Andy

Godless Dave · 07-10-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Suzanne**Atheist
About rubber stamps in general, is there a supplier who specializes in stamps used for our purpose?

There was, but the Secret Service intimidated them into shutting down.

StrictSeparationist · 07-10-2003, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Rhaedas
I haven't found any premade yet....but I did find the opposite.

Some Atheists and Separationists are Crossing
Out the National Motto On Paper Money

Funny how it doesn't mention our original motto, E Pluribus Unum, at all.

The facists who run that site that you linked to indulged in a bit of wishful thinking at the bottom of the page:

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Originally posted by an idiot
"Imitating obligations or securities; advertisements. Whoever designs, engraves, prints, makes or executes, or utters, issues, distributes, circulates; or uses any business or professional card, notice, placard, circular, handbill, or advertisement in the likeness or similitude of any obligation or security of the United States issued under or authorized by any Act of Congress, or writes, prints, or otherwise impresses upon or attaches to any such instrument, obligation, or security, or any coin of the United States, any business or professional card, notice, or advisement, or any notice or advertisement whatever, shall be fined not more than $500."

A recent television program included a segment on "traveling money," where people wrote down phone numbers or addresses on currency, only to have the bill returned, or somebody call them. There was no mention of FBI or BATF swat teams storming their houses for this offense. On the other hand, should hundreds, then thousands of Atheists and separationists start crossing out "In God We Trust," there just might be a prosecution under the above mentioned statute.

I fail to understand how even persons of this obviously low mental caliber could possibly equate crossing out IGWT with "attach[ing]... any business or professional card, notice, or advisement..." to a bill. Obviously, there is no chance that anyone could be prosecuted under this statute unless they were to staple their own business card to the bill as well.

Rhaedas · 07-10-2003, 07:43 AM

According to the Treasury:

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Defacement of Currency

Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service. Their address is: United States Secret Service, 1800 G Street, N. W., Washington, DC 20223.

So my guess is the loophole is if a holder of said money can't use it anywhere money is accepted, ie, a coke machine, the defacer is liable for punishment...if traced back to them. Although I've had plenty of bills that weren't marked up, yet won't go in a machine.

Also interesting:

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In God We Trust

The use of the national motto on both U.S. coins and currency notes is required by two statutes, 31 U.S.C. 5112(d) (1) and 5114(b), respectively. The motto was not adopted for use on U.S. paper currency until 1957. It first appeared on the 1935G Series $1 Silver Certificate, but didn't appear on U.S. Federal Reserve Notes until the Series 1963 currency. This use of the national motto has been challenged in court many times over the years that it has been in use, and has been consistently upheld by the various courts of this country, including the U.S. Supreme Court as recently as 1977.

The Department of the Treasury and the Department of Justice intend to actively defend against challenges to the use of the national motto. In 1992, a challenge was filed and successfully defeated in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland.

How does one research a filed case like the Maryland or Supreme Court one to determine the exact ruling? I really would like to know why it isn't considered religious propaganda in the eyes of the law.

Shake · 07-10-2003, 08:52 AM

I'd heard (or read) that God Off Money used to have custom stamps available, but were likewise intimidated to stop carrying them. Although they still show some examples of what your stamp could say, and there are places that will custom make stamps. Some of the other Georgers could point you to some of them.

07-10-2003, 09:04 AM

Question about American culture: What is a Sharpie? I realise it's some sort of writing instrument, but what sort?

Daleth · 07-10-2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by DMB
Question about American culture: What is a Sharpie? I realise it's some sort of writing instrument, but what sort?

Sharpie is a brand name for the most common felt-tip permanent ink marker.

Jewel · 07-10-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Shake
I'd heard (or read) that God Off Money used to have custom stamps available, but were likewise intimidated to stop carrying them. Although they still show some examples of what your stamp could say, and there are places that will custom make stamps. Some of the other Georgers could point you to some of them.

Yep, I bought one from them right before they stopped selling them. I think I'm going to have another stamp made that says "E Pluribus Unum".

Godless Dave · 07-10-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Daleth
Sharpie is a brand name for the most common felt-tip permanent ink marker.

In England you probably have another name for it, like biro or ironmonger.

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07-10-2003, 06:10 AM	#11
Ennazus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago 'burbs Posts: 1,242	Don't they understand the "WE" in IGWT, doesn't include everybody? E Pluribus Unum is inclusive, their motto is exclusive and it doesn't belong on our money.

07-10-2003, 08:52 AM	#16
Shake Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Folding@Home in upstate NY Posts: 14,394	I'd heard (or read) that God Off Money used to have custom stamps available, but were likewise intimidated to stop carrying them. Although they still show some examples of what your stamp could say, and there are places that will custom make stamps. Some of the other Georgers could point you to some of them.

07-10-2003, 09:04 AM	#17
DMB Guest Posts: n/a	Question about American culture: What is a Sharpie? I realise it's some sort of writing instrument, but what sort?

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