Silent Dave

Before this thread, I suspected that Jones was never really an atheist -- in such cases where I don't have enough evidence to bet my life's savings on whether or not a person really was an atheist or a Christian or what have you, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and take their word on it, if only for simplicity's sake. But I had my suspicions about Jones.

After this thread, I would bet my life's savings that Jones was never really an atheist.


Dave

PandaJoe

So apparently, according to Hired Gun, the only reason to beleive in any morality is because someone else tells you.

Hired Gun

I'll tell you what, Dave. If I thought that your life's savings amounted to more than the $42.50 that you have in your checking account, I would gladly bring this wager out of virtual reality and into the real world. How many of my friends'/enemies' sworn testimonies concerning my past skepticism would you deem necessary to convince you of this truth? 5? 20? 100?

Face it. No amount of evidence is enough to convince you of any truth that you don't wish to see. I am in the position to know the truth about myself and I welcome you to take steps to be in that same position. Of course, you won't. It's so much easier just to blather on about your 'fairness' and then declare me to be a liar despite your *famous* charity in giving others the benefit of the doubt. You make me ill. And then you all wonder about where the Christians get these stereotypes of atheists. You are the stereotype. Ooohhh! If you fit that stereotype so well, maybe you aren't really an atheist! Maybe you're just pretending to be one!

I would like to say that I am amazed at the level of intelligence on this thread, but it's about what I expected.


A.S.A. Jones

Hired Gun

No, Panda, that is exactly contrary to what I am saying. If there is no God, then no man is in a position to force his opinion of morality upon another. One man's subjective view of morality is equal to another man's equally subjective view of morality. Thus, there is no reason to believe in any morality just because another man tells you that it is good.

It would take an authority that was above having only a subjective view of morality to legislate that morality. God's view of morality is objective, not subjective. Ask me why, if you care to know.

A.S.A. Jones

PandaJoe

Actually, forget I said anything. Listening to someone with an ego like yours isn't high on my to-do list. Let me just suggest that you knock off the attitude. Not too many people are impressed that you went from being an incredibly pretentious atheist to an incredibly pretentious theist.

Hired Gun

How is my obnoxious attitude any more annoying than your 'colleagues''? Oh that's right. You agree with them and that's what makes their crummy attitudes so much more tolerable than my crappy attitude.

A.S.A. Jones

Kevbo

I don't find her attitude to be bad at all. After "debating" (read: receiving insults from) with people like Johnathan Sarfati, it doesn't seem that any other theist is half bad.

BrotherMan

I disagree. God hands down commandments that we are to follow after hundreds of generations have mucked about in the dark. For many generations after handing out those laws, God himself and through his people breaks some of them. Now, if you're going to tell me that God's laws are good enough for us but not good enough for him then I'll tell you that you're off your rocker.

Toto

Well, this is the humor section. Aristocrates?? Aristotle and Socrates? Nietzschegaard?? Nietzsche and Kirkegaard? Is this a clue that ex-atheist is not completely on the level?

Hired Gun

Are you saying that no authority is above the law that it establishes? Are you saying that there are no reasons that would exclude an authority from adhering to its own laws?

Let us examine parental authority, which divine authority closely resembles. A parent establishes the rule that a child must never cross the street unless that child is holding the hand of another adult. In your thinking, any time the parent needs to go across the street, they, too, must be holding the hand of another adult. In fact, any time a child is restricted from any activity, such as drinking, engaging in sexual intercourse, staying up past 10 PM, the parent would have to obey his own rules.

There is a difference between parent and child that gives the parent the right to be an authority over the child, just as there is a difference between God and man that gives God the right to be an authority over man.

You don't have to hear my response to call me 'off my rocker'. Why not just skip any guise of argument and just deliver the insult. That way you can continue to think that you make sense.

A.S.A. Jones