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Blu · 09-13-2002, 12:21 PM

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Jayhawker Soule · 09-13-2002, 12:50 PM

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ReasonableDoubt, You continue to live up to your name.

Thank you.

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If you do you will see that I actually didn't use the word consciousness to describe the specific eliment I wanted to describe..

OK

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Order to me denotes some form of "intelligence" some people call it consciousness. I simply used these very human words because I simply don't have any other words to describe it. It has an intelligence like DNA has an intellligence. It is natural. It is organized.

DNA is not intelligent.

[ September 13, 2002: Message edited by: ReasonableDoubt ]

Jobar · 09-13-2002, 03:15 PM

Blu, have you read the threads "Atheism opposed to pantheism?" and "The similarities of atheism and pantheism"? Your discussion here is directly related to them- in fact, I would say that your 'Unifying Universalism" is synonymous with pantheism. It has the same difficulties- for many here, the word 'god' absolutely requires the attribute of personality. I have been pointing out in those threads that a non-personal god is far more in tune with the reality our sciences describe, and also is consistent with the concept contained within eastern religions (and is more ancient than the Judeao-Christian-Muslim concept.)

Jayhawker Soule · 09-13-2002, 03:39 PM

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..., I would say that your 'Unifying Universalism" is synonymous with pantheism.

I would agree that 'synonymous with pantheism' would represent a best case. So, using this best case: please tell me, specifically, how and where pantheism diverges from philosophical naturalism?

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I have been pointing out in those threads that a non-personal god is far more in tune with the reality our sciences describe, ...

But is this case of being "more in tune" anything other than a case of being more benign and, in fact, more irrelevant?

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Blu · 09-13-2002, 04:15 PM

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Jayhawker Soule · 09-13-2002, 05:25 PM

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Jobar, ... I haven't seen any real mention of relative and absolute truths, or the idea that people basically can't go beyond relative truth, etc. So I guess this would be the beginning of the rift between pantheism and Unifying-Universalism.

Apparently, Jobar, without the proper incantations about relative and absolute truth, a rift is inevitable. Don't feel too rejected. True Blu has already acknowledged that the attribute 'Unifying' is little more than vapid window dressing, so you've lost little other than a proponent of intelligent DNA.

Blu · 09-14-2002, 02:08 PM

Although, I spent a lot of time writing and thinking about what I posted I decided after reading a poem and reading the previous post that I needed to erase everything that I wrote in this forum. I apologize to Non_Praying Mantis, Jobar, Jamie, leonarde.

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leonarde · 09-14-2002, 02:52 PM

No problem, Blu! Take care.

Jobar · 09-14-2002, 05:45 PM

Blu, whatever your reason, we consider erasing posts in this manner rather childish. If you think you misstated something, say so. If you lose interest, fine, don't say anything else. If you feel insulted, say that.

Just taking your words and going home is scarcely mature behaviour.

Uni-Universe · 09-16-2002, 07:34 AM

Now I wish I could have read what was written on this thread.

I am new here and I don't know the rules. Blu, will you please post what you wrote on another thread?

I am dying of curiousity.

Jobar: I don't think that taking away what was written was necessarily childish.

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Uni-Universe Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Earth/USA Posts: 28	Now I wish I could have read what was written on this thread. I am new here and I don't know the rules. Blu, will you please post what you wrote on another thread? I am dying of curiousity. Jobar: I don't think that taking away what was written was necessarily childish. [ September 16, 2002: Message edited by: Uni-Universe ]</p>

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09-13-2002, 03:15 PM	#33
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Blu, have you read the threads "Atheism opposed to pantheism?" and "The similarities of atheism and pantheism"? Your discussion here is directly related to them- in fact, I would say that your 'Unifying Universalism" is synonymous with pantheism. It has the same difficulties- for many here, the word 'god' absolutely requires the attribute of personality. I have been pointing out in those threads that a non-personal god is far more in tune with the reality our sciences describe, and also is consistent with the concept contained within eastern religions (and is more ancient than the Judeao-Christian-Muslim concept.)

09-14-2002, 02:52 PM	#38
leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	No problem, Blu! Take care.

09-14-2002, 05:45 PM	#39
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Blu, whatever your reason, we consider erasing posts in this manner rather childish. If you think you misstated something, say so. If you lose interest, fine, don't say anything else. If you feel insulted, say that. Just taking your words and going home is scarcely mature behaviour.

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