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I'm not sure if this belongs in this forum, so mods, please move it if it is not.

We know of things that defy logical reason in this world. For example, floating monks, yogis that can bend spoons with their mind, one's that can stop their heart rate at will. I donot have any links to any sites that document the proof of these things, and many more, although I'm sure they exist.
So, what is this life? Can we bend the rules? What do you think about it?
One theory is that we are in a dream. Eg: I have a dream. You people are figments of that dream, yet you've developed a sense of your own reality within it. Although it is very improbable.
Unexplained phenemenon etc, and it's meaning and impact on our logical definition of life, is the crux of this thread.

Jet Grind

I don't know of any of those things you mentioned being scientifically documented. But if you know someone who can actually do any of them, call James Randi, he owes that person one million dollars.
Also, there are many cognitive scientists (i.e. Steven Pinker) who believe that we are just one conciousness that envisions the world subjectively, and that what we think is reality is, in essense, a hallucination. I can't really comment further on the idea because I am not completely familiar with Pinker's work, but I just thought I would point that out.

Sarpedon

Floating monks are fraud. When you see pictures of them, You'll note that they are always resting one hand on a stick. Concealed beneath their voluminous robes is a seat attached to that self-same stick. The balancing act going on is impressive, but I once saw two chinese guys, one balancing on his head on the other guys head, on top of a 20' ladder whose feet couldn't be more than 1" in diameter each, not only balancing, but "walking" the ladder across a stage. (The Beijing acrobats have to be the most amusing people on the planet, check them out) As for stopping the heart at will, I see no reason why one couldn't do that. One can learn how to control involuntary muscles. Thats one of the many things about yoga that is real (amongst all the nonsense). Its impressive, but not magical. As for spoon bending, have you ever seen it done? One of these days, you should take apart your thermostat. In it you will find what is called a "bi-metallic strip." which is a strip of two different metals (usually copper and zinc (I think its zinc)) Each reacts to increased heat by expanding (like everything else) but they expand at different rates, causing the strip to bend, and your thermostat to adjust to the change. This is one way I can think of to do the spoon bending trick, I'm sure there are others. The dude just has a hot plate in his table, or a heat-lamp on his stage.

Darth Dane

Bumblebee attack!!!

according to teh laws of science a bumblebee is not supposed to be flying, it defies the laws of logical reason, yet the bumblebee still flies on!

If a bee is not supposed to be flying but still does, why can't a human who is not supposed to fly, do it anyways through the power of the mind?






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Jet Grind

I don't know exactly why it can't happen, I'm not physician. All I know is that nobody can. And once again, if you do really know someone who can, call James Randi. He owes whoever can do it one million dollars.

Sarpedon

Darth Dane, what are you asserting? Are you claiming that a bumblebee flies using the power of its mind? What mind? And if not, what then is the connection between the bumblebee and the human? I was not speculating, it is an established fact that those fake monks use these techniques to appear to float. Sticks with seats, exist, and balancing on them is possible. There is no mystery as to what causes things to move: force. (physical force, not THE FORCE)So far as we know, there is no mystery to the mind. It is a series of chemical and electrical signals playing over a network of neurons. The forces involved are miniscule. A bee's wings are capable of moving air, and producing force. It is easier to believe that the physicists miscalculated the forces involved, or left some factor out of their equation, than it is to believe that there is some mysterious and undetectable force acting on the bee.

Darth Dane

I don't know exactly why it can't happen, I'm not physician.

Fair enough. you don't know.

All I know is that nobody can.

Now suddenly you know? :notworthy What do you base this on? It can't be your physics skills, as you state above, so from where do you KNOW this?
I wuold like to know the source so I to can dip in


And once again, if you do really know someone who can, call James Randi. He owes whoever can do it one million dollars.

I know this is a cheapshot, but "with great power comes great responsibility" What would happen worldwide if someone came up and did it? Would teh world be at peace? or at war?

War could come because some would say it is from the devil, some say it will be prophet, some will claim that this is due to thier belief and conviction.

Peace could come, as people finally got a proof of Miracles






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Jet Grind

Darth Dane,

Now I know you trying to instigate a pissing contest, but I thought I would address a few things before I start ingoring your posts.

On the first part of your posts, that's pure bullcrap. I don't have the burden of proof here. You have to provide me with some evidence that there are really people with these "superpowers". Oh wait, I forgot. There is none! If I ever found any I'd call James Randi and tell him to get one million dollars ready.

Oh PUH-LEESE!!!

Are you seriously saying that these people with so called superpowers are simply hiding themselves? Yeah right. Needless to say, if I had "superpowers" I'd be the first in line to collect my prize from James Randi. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there who would rather stay in hiding and pass up one million dollars.

Darth Dane

Now I know you trying to instigate a pissing contest,

I am? Really, I seriously didn't know, you perceive it as that. It wasn't my intention if you believe me. <--- being cheeky

On the first part of your posts, that's pure bullcrap. I don't have the burden of proof here. You have to provide me with some evidence that there are really people with these "superpowers".

Well I personally have seen the aura of other humans, only the color green, but hey I can't*** give you my eyes and experience except through words. I don't know if itIs the aura, or if it is a glitch in my brain. But as long as noone can definately say what it is, how can I know one solution over the other? What final grounds am I to base my knowledge or should I say Belief since we don't know either way YET?

Oh wait, I forgot. There is none! If I ever found any I'd call James Randi and tell him to get one million dollars ready.

They may exist, they may not exist, I myself have not seen anyone.


Are you seriously saying that these people with so called superpowers are simply hiding themselves?

I am seriously saying that it is a possibility that they are hiding, I don't know if they exist or hides, but I couldn't say either way. My example was to illustrate a possible reason as to why these other Humans with powers aren't showing themselves. If they are human they will look like us no? So they could be just as egocentric as a lot seems to be. They don't wanna share their discovery.

Yeah right. Needless to say, if I had "superpowers" I'd be the first in line to collect my prize from James Randi. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there who would rather stay in hiding and pass up one million dollars.

Is it a superpower to be able to juggle 20 balls? I sure as hell can't do it, for all I know they have special skills, okay exaggerated, but hte idea of it. A child that see's a magician doesn't know all the behind teh scenes workings, but buy it at face value.


Edit: Important Can to can't!***


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Jet Grind

Darth Dane,

If you're going to ask me to give a definite explaination based upon your (biased) description you might as well ask me for the color of an electron. Like any skeptic, I'm not going to believe a word of it until I'm provided with evidence (real scientific evidence mind you, not mere anecdote).

So do you think that someone can really do a kameameha wave? I think that such people may exist in the same sense that unicorns and dragons may exist. Possible? Yes. Factual? Almost certainly not.

So you're saying that these people would rather hide their discovery than earn a quick one million dollars? Sorry, I don't buy it for a second.