Infinity Lover

I also find the whole heaven/hell thing to be a creepy mindjob. If you believe someone is going to face eternal punishment, I can imagine how upholding such a belief can lead one to alienate themself from people, or even grow to dispise them, to make the whole thought of them going to hell more bearable or justifiable in their mind.

Amos

And if the sex is good do you marry your rapist? I don't think so because that is not how free love marriages are arranged in heaven.

Amos

Limbo is when humans are guided through life by their lymbic system only. This is great for free thinkers who don't really have a dream to live and just want to live life without a dream.

Baptism into the Catholic religion adds the "fellowship with believers" and "communion with the saints in heaven" to this lymbic system orientation. The benefit here is the three fold church, 1) the church militant, 2) the church suffering and 3) the church triumphant. The church militant is for believers, the church suffering represents those in purgatory and the church triumphant are those in heaven. All three are part of society, the church millitant is persecuted, the church suffering is exploited and the church triumphant is envied by the rest of the world.

Amos

There is no argument that there is a literal hell that includes gnashing of teeth, wailing, and fire, but the fire is not exactly an open flame wherein people are burning for eternity (go see the testimony thread in Seculare Life and Support).

Eternal life is life along the right side of our our brain wherein 'time-as-such' is not known. Limbo is just opposite to this because only in our lymbic system (left brain) is time known. This would place limbo opposite heaven in that we are very much temporal in our left brain and very much eternal in our right brain. To be in hell would be to be in both our right and our left brain while not able to let go of either. From this situation comes the saved sinner complex Catholics call hell.

The "great divide" between these two exist for our protection and I think is much like a membrane that separates the left and the right brain. The premature rupture of this membrane will send people to hell in a hurry and is what spiritual fornication is all about.

christ-on-a-stick

Well hello Amos

Actually, I feel that the inner workings of our mucous membranes (which are, of course simply an allegory for the inexorabe link between our id, ego and psychopathic personality) are not separated from right to left but rather from north to south. In the same way, only upon death are we able to recall the painful rupture of that membrane and realize, in retrospect, that if we had not put so much emphasis on the nonsensical dualistic approaches to the space-time continuum as we saw it through a glass darkly, it would have been easier to make the journey from our counterfeit heaven to the genuine hell that as humans we are destined to experience and indoctrinated to think is a bad thing.

In addition, I would be remiss if I failed to remind you that the spiritual fornication you speak of is, in fact, not something to be taken lightly as it will ultimately be our salvation and without it we cannot stop at the side of the road to complete our journey back to the forbidden area.

So, I guess in the big picture we agree.

Amos

Heaven is a good thing and to get there is an archetypal realty that is available to all of mankind (or we would not be looking for it). It is just a final stage of maturation (sic) and it is pathetic that religion should stand in its way, or prevent it all together by sending them into eternal damnation thru the premature awakening of their higher self identity wherein we find heaven.

When we die it's all over and what we think then does not matter anymore.

Wyz_sub10

Who cares if you marry you rapist? Marriage has nothing to do with it. The point is the comparison of promised value versus suspected consequence.

Amos

I understand but free love marriages are a forshadow of our divine union in heaven and so we must also be a virgin and a willing participant to get there.

So the forgery of religion (salvation by carnal desire) is equal to spiritual fornication that lands you in hell.

JEST2ASK

Interesting Thread ... I wanted to bump this up because of the current discussion on OT laws concerning rape ....


and also because of

[B] I posted on this almost exactly a year ago and only got 2 responses at the time (sniffle). So...I'M BRINGING IT BACK!! :boohoo: :boohoo: