HelenM

You seem to be saying that to be a freethinker one has to be uncertain about one's convictions.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

The point to me is, whether someone is willing to think through new evidence and change their beliefs, if warranted.

You don't have to be uncertain, for that to be possible.

You simply have to be open to taking seriously, new evidence that might change your beliefs. But until it comes along, sure, you can be as committed and certain as you like. Imo.

Helen

Starboy

HelenM, the primary challenge, joy and eventually frustration that we all have to face is that we do not know what we do not know.

Starboy

galiel

But the Law of Conservation [!!!] tells us that mass can only be converted to spiritism and only *if* Freeman work together to neutralize sinful ambition and normalize proof of existence.

Starboy

galiel, your mastery of double speak is most impresive.

Amos

Galiel, you've got me there. I have no answer. I don't know the Law of Conservation, I don't understand how mass can be converted to an -ism, how a Freeman can work together, how sin can be neutralized nor how existence can be proven.

Your whole post is in flux to me.

Amos

Helen don't be offended by some peoples opinion of freethinker because there are those who's opinion is swayed by every convincing argument which only indicates that they really do not know anything first-hand but juggle their thoughts between second-hand data and therefore are free to think without prior convictions.

agapeo

I suppose if I have to think about whether I'm a freethinkerthen that in itself makes me a freethinker.

agapeo

How does one reachfrustration from joy? And how can you know that you don't know if you don't know what you don't know?

NOGO

You seemed to be attached to this one.

Also since you also believe that everyone who contradicts you is hiding his true feelings then there is no way to prove you wrong.

It's nice to have beliefs that nobody can prove wrong.

Let's see. There are no Christians. Those who call themselves Christians only pretend to believe but actually realize that it is all myth.

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Bree

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Really, Starboy - if you have a bone to pick with Helen, please try to keep it contained to private messages.