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3rdhybrid · 04-22-2003, 07:54 AM

(my view here is based mostly from a hip-hop background)

it is about mind control. listen to the lyrics of any hip hop or party song. there is no positivity, unless you consider people degrading themselfve positive. the major labels want gun talk, they want big booty bitches, they want rappers to talk about killing people because they want to keep the youth who they feed it to down in the gutter forever. why are there no conscious songs on any hip hop station? i cant even let my daughter listen to the radio because she starts saying things that degrade herself as a female. repeating the words she hears, remembering them in her subconscious forever, basing everything she learns in the future on the basis that women are only good to look at while almost naked and shaking all around. I wasnt as passionate about the societys fucked up views of women (telling them what they are and how they should be) until i had my daughter. She grew up for 3 years with her mom (good for nothing) who sat her infromt of the music videos because she didnt want to pay her any attention. so when i got custody of my daughter she would always dance real sexy for me trying to get my attention. bending over and shaking her little 4 year old butt. it upset me greatly. what are the rest of the children in this society learning about life from the music that is fed to our differnt cultures. (the music that is classified to each culture) we are only allowed to listen to the same music as everybody else, we can only dress the same way as everybody else. you have to fit in with the people you relate to. you have to be like the famous people because they are important, and if your not important you will be just like everybody else, so you must be like everybody else, buy our 80$ name brand "urban" jeans, and a platinum chain. be jealous of those who have what you do not, hate them because they look just like you. ride or die for your people, hate outsiders and people who are different, they are just weird, pay no attention to them. they wish they could be like you, you know how to dress, you know the slang, you know everything about your favorite music "artists", we debate over who is better jay-z or nas, but did you forget your friends rhyming in a cypher on the corner sounding just like them? did you even notice the one who had originality.

know yourself, break out of this system of mind control, love all, for all is love.
know yourself
know yourself
know yourself

my site
http://www.3rdhybrid.com
music, philosophy, poetry, art
real music:boohoo:

Philosoft · 04-22-2003, 09:13 AM

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04-22-2003, 11:07 AM

I don't know a lot about the hip-hop, rap, or R&B industries much beyond a couple episodes of VH1's "behind the music."

I also have little knowledge of african-american culture, if that is where you are coming from 3rdhybrid. I can say I am not crying for the record industries that are losing money from the advent of the mp3 age. Money and art are a match made in hell.

otoh I don't think all the blame for kids who are influenced by music which tells them they have to be thin, cute, etc., should lie with the music industry. Should 8-year-olds be listening to this some of this stuff as a means of entertainment? Hell, no! But if you allow your kid to anyway, the major problem I see is with the parent, not the music. Parents are the ones who should be looking out for their kids' activities.

It sounds like you really care about your daughter and don't want her to grow up thinking she's just a sex object or something nice to look at, 3rdhybrid. That is wonderful, please keep telling her she's worth more than that and I know sooner or later she will start to believe it.

hezekiah jones · 04-22-2003, 12:52 PM

Well some of them rappers sport giant jewel-encrusted crucifixes, so they can't be total moral degenerates.

3rdhybrid · 04-22-2003, 01:36 PM

i am not talking about the morals of the people, im talking about the morals of the corperation that chooses to put that music on the street. they know what its about. they like the guns, drugs, and murder talk. they want to keep the people down forever

04-22-2003, 02:42 PM

But why aren't we talking about the morals of the people? Getting rid of the smarmy record execs isn't going to solve anything. If people want to hear about drugs, sex and murder, they'll find just another way to do it. Everyone has the priviledge and reponsibility of choosing what is best for themselves and their children. Ultimately noone else can make the choices for us. If parents aren't willing to keep their kids away from harmful influences, then a few rich producers are not going to make up for that loss, no matter what kinds of records they put out.

Straight Hate · 04-22-2003, 09:26 PM

Hip Hop is definitely not my expertise, but have you heard any of K-OS' work, Hybrid?

Kinross · 04-23-2003, 04:04 AM

3rdhybrid,

Your post is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.

Lets start with your daughter. You feel that the problem lies with the music industry corrupting your daughter through the negativity of Hip Hop music. Who ever said that Hip Hop music was appropriate for a young child? Its music for adults, the travesty lies with your ex exposing her to that music, not with the existance of that music. Place the blame where it is due, your ex, not "Evil Corp".

Second you complain about the negativity of Hip Hop. Do you even have a clue about the history of Hip Hop. It grew out of the ghetto in NY chronicling the life of the people in the ghetto. This is not a "happy place" of milk and honey. It is a window into life of poverty, crime, hookers, pimps, drugs, violence. It was a method of escaping that life not perpetuating it. There were also many Hip Hop artists who talked about pulling themselves out of the ghetto. One that comes to mind is KRS-ONE, who had some very good insights, but that kind of stuff doesn't sell very well.

dangin · 04-23-2003, 05:55 AM

Hip hop the music (not the lyrics) is also something that is being "borrowed" internationally. You can find some awesome work, that is really musically interesting coming from europe, africa, and south america. At first glance you hear it and say "oh, its hip hop", but then you listen and get blown away.

I hate hip hop music videos with the champagne, the big escalades, the big boats, the expensive clothes. I think that is feeding the sense of entitlement that many of america's youth seem to think is reality. Their heroes came from the hood, and they made it big, so my turn is coming because I deserve it.

I respect the people who say it takes work to get what you want, no matter the medium they say it in.

August Spies · 04-23-2003, 07:52 AM

it is astounding, astounding, how devoid of talent the commerical hip hop scene is in comparison to the underground and middleground scenes. Quite frankly if you took out Jay-z, Eminem, Outkast, Timberland and maybe the neptunes you wouldn't have a single artist worth a shit on MTV.

not that this is what people were talking about....

04-22-2003, 07:54 AM	#1
3rdhybrid Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Earth, 5th dimention Posts: 6	commercial music (my view here is based mostly from a hip-hop background) it is about mind control. listen to the lyrics of any hip hop or party song. there is no positivity, unless you consider people degrading themselfve positive. the major labels want gun talk, they want big booty bitches, they want rappers to talk about killing people because they want to keep the youth who they feed it to down in the gutter forever. why are there no conscious songs on any hip hop station? i cant even let my daughter listen to the radio because she starts saying things that degrade herself as a female. repeating the words she hears, remembering them in her subconscious forever, basing everything she learns in the future on the basis that women are only good to look at while almost naked and shaking all around. I wasnt as passionate about the societys fucked up views of women (telling them what they are and how they should be) until i had my daughter. She grew up for 3 years with her mom (good for nothing) who sat her infromt of the music videos because she didnt want to pay her any attention. so when i got custody of my daughter she would always dance real sexy for me trying to get my attention. bending over and shaking her little 4 year old butt. it upset me greatly. what are the rest of the children in this society learning about life from the music that is fed to our differnt cultures. (the music that is classified to each culture) we are only allowed to listen to the same music as everybody else, we can only dress the same way as everybody else. you have to fit in with the people you relate to. you have to be like the famous people because they are important, and if your not important you will be just like everybody else, so you must be like everybody else, buy our 80$ name brand "urban" jeans, and a platinum chain. be jealous of those who have what you do not, hate them because they look just like you. ride or die for your people, hate outsiders and people who are different, they are just weird, pay no attention to them. they wish they could be like you, you know how to dress, you know the slang, you know everything about your favorite music "artists", we debate over who is better jay-z or nas, but did you forget your friends rhyming in a cypher on the corner sounding just like them? did you even notice the one who had originality. know yourself, break out of this system of mind control, love all, for all is love. know yourself know yourself know yourself my site http://www.3rdhybrid.com music, philosophy, poetry, art real music:boohoo:

04-22-2003, 01:36 PM	#5
3rdhybrid Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Earth, 5th dimention Posts: 6	ok i am not talking about the morals of the people, im talking about the morals of the corperation that chooses to put that music on the street. they know what its about. they like the guns, drugs, and murder talk. they want to keep the people down forever

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Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	Off to Media & Popular Culture...

04-22-2003, 11:07 AM	#3
Jagged Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know a lot about the hip-hop, rap, or R&B industries much beyond a couple episodes of VH1's "behind the music." I also have little knowledge of african-american culture, if that is where you are coming from 3rdhybrid. I can say I am not crying for the record industries that are losing money from the advent of the mp3 age. Money and art are a match made in hell. otoh I don't think all the blame for kids who are influenced by music which tells them they have to be thin, cute, etc., should lie with the music industry. Should 8-year-olds be listening to this some of this stuff as a means of entertainment? Hell, no! But if you allow your kid to anyway, the major problem I see is with the parent, not the music. Parents are the ones who should be looking out for their kids' activities. It sounds like you really care about your daughter and don't want her to grow up thinking she's just a sex object or something nice to look at, 3rdhybrid. That is wonderful, please keep telling her she's worth more than that and I know sooner or later she will start to believe it.

04-22-2003, 12:52 PM	#4
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Well some of them rappers sport giant jewel-encrusted crucifixes, so they can't be total moral degenerates.

04-22-2003, 02:42 PM	#6
Jagged Guest Posts: n/a	But why aren't we talking about the morals of the people? Getting rid of the smarmy record execs isn't going to solve anything. If people want to hear about drugs, sex and murder, they'll find just another way to do it. Everyone has the priviledge and reponsibility of choosing what is best for themselves and their children. Ultimately noone else can make the choices for us. If parents aren't willing to keep their kids away from harmful influences, then a few rich producers are not going to make up for that loss, no matter what kinds of records they put out.

04-22-2003, 09:26 PM	#7
Straight Hate Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 4,171	Hip Hop is definitely not my expertise, but have you heard any of K-OS' work, Hybrid?

04-23-2003, 04:04 AM	#8
Kinross Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: . Posts: 1,281	3rdhybrid, Your post is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start. Lets start with your daughter. You feel that the problem lies with the music industry corrupting your daughter through the negativity of Hip Hop music. Who ever said that Hip Hop music was appropriate for a young child? Its music for adults, the travesty lies with your ex exposing her to that music, not with the existance of that music. Place the blame where it is due, your ex, not "Evil Corp". Second you complain about the negativity of Hip Hop. Do you even have a clue about the history of Hip Hop. It grew out of the ghetto in NY chronicling the life of the people in the ghetto. This is not a "happy place" of milk and honey. It is a window into life of poverty, crime, hookers, pimps, drugs, violence. It was a method of escaping that life not perpetuating it. There were also many Hip Hop artists who talked about pulling themselves out of the ghetto. One that comes to mind is KRS-ONE, who had some very good insights, but that kind of stuff doesn't sell very well.

04-23-2003, 05:55 AM	#9
dangin Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Middle, Kansas Posts: 2,637	Hip hop the music (not the lyrics) is also something that is being "borrowed" internationally. You can find some awesome work, that is really musically interesting coming from europe, africa, and south america. At first glance you hear it and say "oh, its hip hop", but then you listen and get blown away. I hate hip hop music videos with the champagne, the big escalades, the big boats, the expensive clothes. I think that is feeding the sense of entitlement that many of america's youth seem to think is reality. Their heroes came from the hood, and they made it big, so my turn is coming because I deserve it. I respect the people who say it takes work to get what you want, no matter the medium they say it in.

04-23-2003, 07:52 AM	#10
August Spies Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Vine Posts: 12,950	it is astounding, astounding, how devoid of talent the commerical hip hop scene is in comparison to the underground and middleground scenes. Quite frankly if you took out Jay-z, Eminem, Outkast, Timberland and maybe the neptunes you wouldn't have a single artist worth a shit on MTV. not that this is what people were talking about....

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