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Vylo · 07-21-2003, 06:35 AM

Well my county decided that despite all the contreversy surrounding seperation of church and state, that they will now put large posters with IGTW in every municipal building in the entire county. The Star Ledger wrote this article, and apparently American Atheists and another organization I cannot remember off-hand have already jumped on the county for this move.

I am dumbfounded that they would pull something like this, and it appears that it has strong backing too, as it was unanimously approved.

This is Warren County New Jersey for any of those who haven't already guessed from my profile. I am gonna try to dig up the article, or any others related to it.

beejay · 07-21-2003, 07:19 AM

Complete with pictures.

Warren County story

The only way to stop this is to sue, and make them pay your legal costs.

Vylo · 07-21-2003, 08:18 AM

Nice work, man that story gets to me, to think those jerk-offs are representing me, think its about time I start getting more interested in voting.

Charles Darwin · 07-21-2003, 09:02 AM

Thanks for the link beejay. Can anyone explain what a "Freeholder" is?

beejay · 07-21-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Charles Darwin
Can anyone explain what a "Freeholder" is?

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The term "Freeholder" originated in England and is unique in the United States to the State of New Jersey. It is comparable to County Commissioner or Supervisor in other states.

Definition of freeholder (and history)

Clearly somebody too in love with Google.

GaryP · 07-21-2003, 09:55 AM

Where in NJ is Warren County?

Vylo · 07-21-2003, 10:52 AM

northwest corner, about 30 min or so from newark, 15 min from borders on pennsi alongside Easton (if anyone knows where easton is) my zipcode is in my profile so you can use mapquest to get an idea of where it is. It is mostly farmland, and forests, with suburbs in the middle of the towns. The county has a total population of about 100,00 people, my town having around 12,000 or so.

GodLessWarrior · 07-21-2003, 08:48 PM

I too am from Warren County, actually good friends with Vylo. He just brought this to my attention at a mutual friends house. I hate the people in my county. I hate them more than life itself. hahaha........

Rhaedas · 07-21-2003, 09:29 PM

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Visitors entering all Warren County government buildings will see the national motto, "In God We Trust," displayed, according to a resolution unanimously approved June 25, 2003, by the Board of Chosen Freeholders.

This would be step one of alienating those who aren't welcome...

This should follow the same rulings the 10 commandments displays on gov't propery...either show all representations of beliefs (allah, zeus, et al), so no one feels discriminated, or don't show anything (the wiser choice).

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Moments after voting on the resolution, the freeholders temporarily adjourned their session to hang a framed poster bearing those words on the wall outside their meeting room in the Wayne Dumont Jr. Administration Building.

Was a prayer said as well? :banghead:

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Freeholder Director Michael Doherty said he believes Warren is the first county to post the national motto. Last October, the New Jersey Assembly voted overwhelmingly to urge all counties and local governments to post in their public buildings the words "In God We Trust," which were designated the national motto in a law passed by Congress on July 30, 1956.

Somehow "E Pluribus Unum" was too inviting a motto, so we changed it to a much more "defined" version to reflect the type of people we want in our country...it's more subtle this way, gets past that pesky 1st Amendment.

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"We believe that our rights do come from God," said Doherty, who also is an Assemblyman representing the 23rd District. "They don�t come from men, or women, or some kind of king or religious leader," he explained,

So god wrote the Constitution, not men looking for a better system of gov't? Isn't this a lot like the same downplaying of a doctors' ability after saving someone's life with his training and knowledge? "God gave him the ability to perform a miracle"

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adding it is important to "remind people entering our public buildings that we recognize our heritage" that reaches back to the formation of the United States.

Or to 1956, depending on if you're a history revisionist or not.

Even if there was a christian foundation to speak of, why does that make it okay? Is it not a bad thing to base decisions on "that's the way it's always been done"?

The "under god" and IGWT irks me much more than any of the ID/creationism that constantly threatens schools...it's like the courts are telling those who object to just deal with it, and let the religious crowd have a little bit here and there to make them happy. There is no justification for the changes when you read past the legalese to the 1956 modifications and earlier post-Civil War coinage additions...it is blatant defined religion by the gov't. Read "God" (with a capital G) anywhere else, and you know which religion is being referred to, but if it's on money, in the PoA, or a courtroom wall, it's "de minimis"...yeah right.

:banghead: ad nauseam

xorbie · 07-22-2003, 12:55 AM

It's this sort of thing that makes me glad to live in Brookline, MA. Being only 18 and living in this very liberal, very athiestic city means I never have to put up with this sort of thing. Also, I don't know but it seems that the newer generation is far less religios and in maybe 20 years or so this sort of nonsense will have been done away with except in the bible belt area where everyone is a fundy anyway.

07-21-2003, 06:35 AM	#1
Vylo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: washington, NJ 07882 Posts: 253	Warren county adds IGWT to buildings Well my county decided that despite all the contreversy surrounding seperation of church and state, that they will now put large posters with IGTW in every municipal building in the entire county. The Star Ledger wrote this article, and apparently American Atheists and another organization I cannot remember off-hand have already jumped on the county for this move. I am dumbfounded that they would pull something like this, and it appears that it has strong backing too, as it was unanimously approved. This is Warren County New Jersey for any of those who haven't already guessed from my profile. I am gonna try to dig up the article, or any others related to it.

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07-21-2003, 07:19 AM	#2
beejay Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Richmond IN Posts: 375	Complete with pictures. Warren County story The only way to stop this is to sue, and make them pay your legal costs.

07-21-2003, 08:18 AM	#3
Vylo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: washington, NJ 07882 Posts: 253	Nice work, man that story gets to me, to think those jerk-offs are representing me, think its about time I start getting more interested in voting.

07-21-2003, 09:02 AM	#4
Charles Darwin Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California Posts: 454	Thanks for the link beejay. Can anyone explain what a "Freeholder" is?

07-21-2003, 09:55 AM	#6
GaryP Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lancaster, OH Posts: 1,792	Where in NJ is Warren County?

07-21-2003, 10:52 AM	#7
Vylo Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: washington, NJ 07882 Posts: 253	northwest corner, about 30 min or so from newark, 15 min from borders on pennsi alongside Easton (if anyone knows where easton is) my zipcode is in my profile so you can use mapquest to get an idea of where it is. It is mostly farmland, and forests, with suburbs in the middle of the towns. The county has a total population of about 100,00 people, my town having around 12,000 or so.

07-21-2003, 08:48 PM	#8
GodLessWarrior Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 64	I too am from Warren County, actually good friends with Vylo. He just brought this to my attention at a mutual friends house. I hate the people in my county. I hate them more than life itself. hahaha........

07-22-2003, 12:55 AM	#10
xorbie Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Champaign, IL or Boston, MA Posts: 6,360	It's this sort of thing that makes me glad to live in Brookline, MA. Being only 18 and living in this very liberal, very athiestic city means I never have to put up with this sort of thing. Also, I don't know but it seems that the newer generation is far less religios and in maybe 20 years or so this sort of nonsense will have been done away with except in the bible belt area where everyone is a fundy anyway.

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