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Old 04-07-2003, 02:33 PM   #21
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Yes, but Georgians are the only ones that matter on this issue.

Why? You said yourself that the "flag was changed not for any concern out for the Black community in Georgia, but because city buisness leaders were tired of hearing about it and didn't want a boycott."

Perhaps some, but what you don't realize is that most African-Americans in Georgia had no opinion on the old flag. There were many polls that showed that the old flag wasn't as big a concern to the African-American community in Georgia as some people claimed. But for the most part, people were more offended by the battle flag's connection to the KKK and other white supremist groups than to its connection to the CSA.

I understand that the battle flag is more closely connected to racism today. But why change the flag to a modified version another confederate flag, if at least some African-Americans (Georgians or otherwise) might be (justifiably, IMO) offended by its similar, if less "popular", symbolism?

It would seem wiser to me to change it to a design that carries no such potential negative symbolism.
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Why? You said yourself that the "flag was changed not for any concern out for the Black community in Georgia, but because city buisness leaders were tired of hearing about it and didn't want a boycott."
Simple, it was the concern of Georgians who didn't want to lose money.

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I understand that the battle flag is more closely connected to racism today. But why change the flag to a modified version another confederate flag, if at least some African-Americans (Georgians or otherwise) might be (justifiably, IMO) offended by its similar, if less "popular", symbolism?
There you go using that logic again. As history has shone, logical concerns carry no wait on this issue. Emotional concerns on the other hand . . . .

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All designs are potentially negative. If nothing else but due to the fact that some people will see change in itself negative.
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Old 04-07-2003, 05:03 PM   #23
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I'm not from Georgia. Never been to Georgia. No plans to visit Georgia soon. Yet the perfect flag design is so utterly obvious even to a Yankee like yours truly.

A goddamn peach.

On, say, a blue background.

There's yer dang flag.
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Old 04-07-2003, 06:06 PM   #24
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I like the peach idea. Turned just right, you could make it look like a fuzzy yellow ass.
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Vexillologists will tell you that it's a bad idea to put words of any kind on a flag -- because it won't read the same way on the reverse side.
Not a problem--in two years they'll just change it to"TSURT EW DOG NI" so it'll read right from the other side. Sort of.

I wonder when some congressional moron will hit on the idea of changing the US flag to follow this shining example?
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I'm not from Georgia. Never been to Georgia. No plans to visit Georgia soon. Yet the perfect flag design is so utterly obvious even to a Yankee like yours truly.

A goddamn peach.

On, say, a blue background.

There's yer dang flag.
I actually expect that in ten years or so we'll change the flag to a blue background with the state seal on it, which was effectively the style of our first flag.
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Looks like the proposed flag for GA is not very different from their 1920-1956 flag.

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This seems a little dated. Perhaps if Vork drops by, he can explain why Taiwan is still flying the flag of the losing side in the Chinese civil war.
It's the old flag from when all China was Nationalist China. Taiwan is Nationalist China, sorta. It's where the Nationalists fled when they lost the war in 1949, and they continued to use the old flag of China (claiming they were the legitimate China, which the U.S. acknowledged until the 1970s IIRC). A change in flags would be pointless and potentially provacative (they obviously won't take the mainland Communist flag, and adopting a new flag could be seen as a step toward declaring independance).


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I think its because Taiwan doesn't consider itself part of China, while China does. Plus, for many years after the Cultural Revolution (until the early 70s, I think), the US and UN recognized the Government of Taiwan as the rightful governmnet of China.
No, Taiwan has not officially stated it is not part of China. Mainland China would really punish Taiwan if Taiwan did that (Possibly come kick its ass and take over...). IIRC, Taiwan is still playing the diplomatic game of agreeing that it's just another Chinese province that theoretically should reunite with the rest of China, while dragging its feet on the issue and stipulating it won't join up until mainland China becomes democratic, officially capitalist, etc.
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No, Taiwan has not officially stated it is not part of China.
You're right, that would be stupid on a grand scale. But, they still consider themselves, if unofficially, a seperate state (much in the same way Quebec sees itself as a sovereign nation, but it is still part of Canada).
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You're right, that would be stupid on a grand scale. But, they still consider themselves, if unofficially, a seperate state (much in the same way Quebec sees itself as a sovereign nation, but it is still part of Canada).
Huh? Quebec citizens still pay their taxes to the Canadian federal government, still abide by federal laws, still have federal policemen and soldiers on their territory and still are bound by the international agreements ratified by the federal government. (Not to mention that the federal government is still meddling in areas in which it has no constitutional powers - such as health care, education and collecting income taxes)

We do see Quebec as a nation, but we do not have anything near the level of autonomy that Taiwan enjoys.
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