River

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Soul Invictus

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[i]Originally posted by River Besides Jesus Christ has performed 4/5 Pillars of Islam. During his 2nd Coming he will perform Pilgrimage as well. Not sure what these would be...could you elaborate please? This is primarily for River, however any feedback is appreciated. Regards, Invictus

The "Religion" of Islam revolves around 5 pillars. The first Pillar, The Shahada( The Witnessing)is the most important pillar.

{The Shahada} "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God"
If you believe this statement you are in essence a Muslim!

Pillar 1 {Shahada/Witnessing}
Jesus Christ announced the Coming of Prophet Muhammad( Comforter/Paraclete. This is confirmed by the Aramaic Bible Society. For details here is a link
http://www.aramaic.org/PARAVLETE.html

{John 16:7-13 }
"But I tell you the truth, It is better for you that I should go away; for if I do not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I should go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will rebuke the world concerning sin, concerning righteousness, and concerning Judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; Concerning righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you will not see me again; Concerning judgment, because the leader of this world has been judged. Again, I have many other things to tell you, but you cannot grasp them now. But when the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all the truth: for he will not speak from himself, but what he hears, that he will speak: and he will make known to you things which are to come in the future. He will glorify me; because he will take of my own and show to you. Everything that my Father has is mine; this is the reason why I told you that he will take of my own and show to you."

"And when I saw him my soul filled with consolation, saying:"O Muhammad, God be with thee, and may he make me worthy to untie thy shoelatchet, for obtaining this I shall be a Great Prophet and Holy one of God".( Gospel of Barnabus)

(Noble QuranSurah LXI, Vs. 6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an apostle to come after me, whose name shall be "Ahmad". But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "This is evident sorcery!.”

Note: Ahmad is Muhammad's Celestial name. Both words mean "The Praised One".

Pillar 2 {Salat/Prayer}

Does the Muslim prayer seem strange to you? Well, this is the way all the Biblical Prophets Prayed!

(Matthew 26:39) And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt.

(Numbers 20:6 )And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the Lord appeared unto them. (Numbers 16:20-22 )And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, 21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. 22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt Thou be wroth with the all of the congregation?

(Genesis 17:3) And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Psalm 95:6)"O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker.", (Joshua 18:42)"And Joshua fell on his face to the Earth, and did worship...",

And be steadfast in prayer;
Practice regular charity;
And bow down your heads
With those who bow down.
Holy Qur'an 2:45

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aca...ible_prayer.htm

Muslims pray five times a day. This number is not exclusive to Islam. In fact Sabeans/Mandeans (religion of St. John the Baptist) and Zoroastrians/(Magian of Quran) also prayed 5 times a day.

In fact Jews prayed the same way as Muslims not too long ago. Heres a link...
http://www.jewsforallah.org/

Pillar 3 { Fasting}

Jesus Christ fasted 40 days a year. Muslims fast 30 days during the month of Ramadan. There are many Muslims who also prefer to fast the extra 10 days.

Jesus spoke in terms of "when" we fast, not "if" we fast (Matthew 6:2,5,16). Jesus also said that after his death, his followers would fast (Matthew 9:15). Prophets and teachers fasted in Antioch (Acts 13:2)

Pillar 4 {Zakat/Charity}

Jesus Christ devoted his whole life to charity. He healed the blind and the lepers. His whole life was all about giving.

"(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to
observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live." ( Noble Quran 19:31)

Pillar 5{ Hajj/Pilgrimage}

Jesus Christ will perform pilgrimage after defeating the AntiChrist on his 2nd Coming

www.jesuswillreturn.com/

Jesus Christ has many titles in the Quran. He is called Messiah(Masih), Son of Mary, Spirit of God, Word of God, Aya (Sign).

River

-Soul Invictus


hey, you might want to check out my thread on Paul. The articles are very well done and might give you insight on how modern Christianity came to be. The author of the website Isa Adam Naziri, is a Jew who eventually converted to Islam. The website as a whole is pro-shia, so I am not fully familiar with everything mentioned. Though, I highly recommend the articles on Paul......" Paul is the antiChrist"....and "The Worthless Shepherd".


Peace
River

Soul Invictus

Where is this thread?

River

The Truth about Paul


http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=58449

Soul Invictus

Hey -

What's with not wanting private messages or emails! They'll get on me for getting off topic!

Secular Pinoy

Funny, I'm reading the OT right now, and it definitely is not a prologue to some Hellenistic Jewish cult writings. It's a history of the Law, of the Covenant between god/s and the chosen people, and of the glory of David and his family, and of the eventual ascent to glory of Israel among all the nations.

Bengt03

Rational, your version of Jesus and god makes more sense than the traditional christian version, but it contradicts a lot of biblical passages in the OT and in the NT, such as: Deutoronomy 6:4 (the shema) and 1 Timothy 2:5.

You're admitting that there are myths in the bible, yet you are still basing your religion on that book. How can you know that the passages you are accepting are not the myths and the ones you are rejecting are the truth?

What if the "uncaring, uncompassionate bully" in the OT is the true god and Jesus is the myth?

Magus55 (and also JWs, Mormons e.t.c) says the same thing. Who should we believe?

mark9950

because paul was gnostic that he is the anti-christ?

Magus55

Paul became Christian, so no, He isn't the anti-christ. The antichrist will be a living person.

Bengt03

You're right. The jews did'nt have a belief in a Trinity before the advent of Christianity. There are talmudic writings as old as 400 BC and they don't mention anything about a Trinity. Whether Isaiah and Genesis mentions the trinity or not, it's obvious that that's not how the jews interpreted it.

With that in mind, I want to show you a passage from the bible, that refutes the Doctrine of the Trinity.

Deu. 13:1-11

"1. If there arises among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a miracle,
2. and the sign or the miracle of which he spoke comes to pass, and says, 'Let us go after and worship other Gods, as you have not known,
3. you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, because Yahweh, your god, is testing you, to see whether you love Yahweh, your god, with all your heart and soul.
4. It is Yahweh, your god, whom you all must follow, and him you must revere, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and you shall worship him, and stick with him.
5. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has preached in an attempt to turn you away from Yahweh, your god -- who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and saved you from the house of bondage -- to turn you away from the ways in which Yahweh, your god, has commanded you to walk. In this way you shall purge the evil from you.
6. If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your love, or your friend, who is like your own self, persuades you in private, saying, 'Let us go and serve another God,' which you nor your fathers have known --
7. whether the Gods of the people which are around you, near you, or the ones far from you, from one end of the land to the other --
8. you shall not consent to him, nor listen to him, neither shall you pity him, neither shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him.
9. Rather, you must kill him! Your hand should be first upon him to put him to death! And, afterwards, the hand of all the people.
10. And you shall stone him with stones, so that he will die! Because he has sought to turn you away from Yahweh, your god, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not repeat any such wickedness among you."

This passage says that, the concept of god the jews and their fathers had, was the correct one, and if someone said otherwise, he/she should be killed, even if it was a loved one. The triune god of the christians, is a god unknown to every jew and his father. None of the people of Israel had known this kind of god in the past. This is a very convincing proof that the trinity is a false doctrine, according to the bible.

A question comes to mind when I read passages such as these in the bible:

If the bible is the christian god's word, how come it can be used as a powerful tool against Christianity?