worldling

What exactly did "they" do to your people as "they flew in the air over Long Island"? One might claim that this prophecy was fulfilled if someone had dropped a bomb or poison gas from a plane while flying over Long Island, but it's nothing like what happened on Sept 11.

As an aside, I'd just like to say that TrueThinker's prophetic mixture of war-mongering nationalism and frothing, swivel-eyed religiosity is a prime example the most poisonous and dangerous mindset in the world today. Ironically, it's a mindset he shares with those suicide hijackers.

Same disease, different strain.

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Butters

TT,
Sorry if I don't believe your 1996 prophecy, but Many people claim to have predicted 9/11, I wonder, where did you post your warning to all those people? I never saw your prophecy. I again ask you to post a prophecy that has yet to come to pass. Put it right here. If it involves the death of people, take out an ad in the major newspapers and warn everyone. If it comes to pass, no one could doubt you any longer. If you believe that John Edwards is more than a cold reading con-man, we really don't have anything more to say to one another anyway, I'm not stupid, I've seen better cold readers than him.

worldling

Another thing. You say "prophecy" is not taken lightly within the body of Christ, so it's all tape recorded. So you have x number of years' worth of these self-appointed prophets babbling every weekend in thousands of churches all over the country - months upon months of tape recordings to sift through, looking for something that might just be construed as a 9/11 prophecy - and the closest thing you can come up with is: "for what they did to our people as they flew in the air over Long Island"?

That's pretty pathetic.

CX

Had me until...

This is a very old speculation (mentioned by Celsus in On the True Doctrine) that probably derives from later Jewish Talmudic writing in response to the gospel accounts. There is virtually no support for such a theory and it is as ad hoc as any Xian apologetic. Why is it so difficult to see that the passion narratives are theological constructs and not historico-biographical. If Jesus existed and if he was executed by the Romans for sedition (which is not terribly extraordinary), then he died on the cross, was left there to rot and eventually dumped in a mass grave or devoured by animals. The empty tomb only needs to be explained if it was an historical event. There is no extrabiblical evidence that it was and the biblical accounts are contradictory, written by third person nonwitnesses some 35+ years after the event.

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Bumble Bee Tuna

You're way too quick to call something a prophecy. The sole reason you think this prophecy was fulfilled is the "what they did over Long Island" part. Well, I'm not certain, but if I reach my memory back a year to the news reports after 9/11, the flights did NOT go over long island. IIRC, the 4 flights either left from Boston or Newark. The flights from Boston went east, until they were northwest of NYC, then they began their descent towards NYC from the northwest. This is not over Long Island, which is to the east, not the northwest. The other flights went east of Newark, and turned towards D.C. in Pennsylvania. Once again, not over Long Island.

Granted, I'm not 100% certain of this, my memory isn't perfect...I welcome an attempt to prove me wrong. I'm just thinking back to maps of the flight routes, I think I saw them in Time, and I don't remember then going over LI.

-B

TrueThinker

huh?

Anyway I didn't even post the entire prophecy. It was spoken over a four-day period here in Detroit. The part I posted is only what was spoken on the first day. It is actually from what was prophesied in those four days that it was determined that it was clearly referring to what happened on September 11, 2001.

Guys, I'm not expecting you to understand it all. If I were to post the entire thing, it will just sound like jibberish to you all. So should I bore you with it all? Frankly, I don't even think a prophecy coming to pass would change your current state of beliefs.

However, maybe me praying to the God who hears, for a member of your families who may have a severe need, or any one of you, wether it be for healing of a disease or something else, when the prayer is answered and you witness it, that, I think, is more powerful than a prophecy coming pass. But, some may not believe even after that.

It does seem like I've hit a hot button. I was definitely not expecting that many replies.

Bumble Bee Tuna

the reason why you stirred up responses is that you posted a self-admittedly inadequate prophecy as if it was fully backed-up and fact.

I'm wondering how you can put any faith in a prophecy that "sounds like gibberish". Why is this? Could it be because it's written in intentionally vague language and now after the fact you're trying to translate the gibeerish into something that vaguely fits a historical event?

-B

TrueThinker

Now, come on. That is very insulting. You don't even know me. How would you like it if said you had the same mindset set as a murderer, when I haven't even met you?

I guess atheists do not follow the golden rule. What was I thinking?

Butters simply asked me to interpret the prophecy and I did. And as I said in my previous post, there is a little more to it that what I posted. As to your comment about me, why did you arrive at that conclusion? Was it because I said God will go after Allah? Well, for your information, it doesn't mean that all the Arabs will die or God will kill them, if that's what you were thinking. What would be manifest in the natural is that the people will no longer be oppressed by their religion and their eyes will be opened. But I guess that's a bad thing and is apparently equivalent terrorism. What was I thinking?

So let me get this straight, because you don't agree with my interpretation you've likened me to a terrorist? Now is that fair? And should I do the same to you?

TrueThinker

dude,
I think you're confused about something. I did not prophesy this. Ok... I am not a prophet.

and you need to calm down. I just mentioned jon edwards would be on the same show with him. It doesn't mean I believe he is a good 'cold reader' or whatever else he may be. I was just providing information.

Why do y'all have to make me feel like I can't even have a civilized conversation with you?

TrueThinker

Well to me it is not jibberish, but to you it may be.

This one is clearly not jibberish, and it is from March 2001, long before 9/11. Click on it if you can, or copy the address if the link does not work Audio