Diotima

I have been following this thread in silence from its start.

I have even "transported" it in JREF in a discussion about self-deception...

Maybe someone should step here and let you know that you are making fool of yourself and you might want to stop.

Not to mention that I do lot like the way you make the non-atheists look.

You have put on a costume of "sensitivity" and you think that your reference to vague philosophical ideas that I hear for the first time of my life ( think before saying something stupid about my knowledge regarding Philosophy...) you are going to get away with it.

In this world they are facts that critical thinking obliges us to accept.

Some people choose to rationalize them taking the philosophical/spiritual and path, this is quite acceptable.

BUT

You can't allow yourself loosing the facts in the process of "filtering" them through your philosophical views, a process that helps truth become more acceptable and less painful ( something that I find legitimate because we all have different ways in rationalizing death and pain).

Unless, you want to exercise the right we were discussing in the other forum : your right to be deceived...

Diotima

And before you reply, I'd like to demonstrate to the people here my psychic powers by predicting how you will respond.

First, you will start whining that " I do not have any idea about human pain and I have never seen someone that I love dying"

Then, you will start accusing me of atheism and misconception of your vague philosophical views...

And after that, I will have to start a new thread in JREF regarding self-deception and its psychological relation to the "martyr syndrom" that appears to be quite common in "believers"...

Howard

Y'all are being pretty hard on Sophie. What did she say to rile everyone up? Come to think of it, what DID she a say?

sophie

Docter X : Hmmm, taking the cup in hand and never being noble enough to guess, I may as well misrepresent your position through my misunderstanding.

Funny thing that - understanding.

sophie

Docter X : The case occurs in the real world, your subjective interpretations as to the possible causes of the case DO NOT.

Again I fully accept the case as it stands. I am in no rational position to accept the five choices you have devised to represent the possible derivation of the case.

To convince this Sophie, Docter X has to present the logical argument wrapped in more planetary sense. To me, perhaps only to me, the complete logical case lacks depth.

sophie

Docter X : Exactly, you are beginning to address the side issues of the case for the 1st time.

The child remains an individual by reason of an impending death without omniGOD's intervention, otherwise confusion may reign.

Should you try to argue the case for the Docter's assistant rendering assistance will make the child less of an individual, I may be willing to listen to any capable argument you can construct.

sophie

Docter X :

I usually ignore psychology in the face of good philosophical ontological relationships.

Docter X repl;ied :
Docter X, managed to captalise on Sophie's agreement, but lost the ground gained with some irrelevance

sophie

Docter X : I am not implying the case of the child's plight is far fetched, far from this. What I deem as far fetched is Docter X's 5 choices as a rational deduction from the case of the sweet loving child.

Finally Docter X has 2 real choices, which are omniGOD does not exist or if omniGOD does exist, omniGOD is irrelevant.

The other 2 choices are possibilities which are unknowable at this time. I therefore accuse Docter X, as maligning logic to suit Docter X's needs. Docter X has mixed possibilities with actual evidence and as such, in my mind the good and humble Docter X has fumbled the ball. I have managed to recover the ball, and I am now heading for the Nzone.

If the noble readership cannot understand this argument for what it is, then I suggest some form of therapy. Usually when one cannot see well one employs the use of spectacles, when one cannot hear well one cleans ones ears with Qtips. Finally when one cannot understand well, well I am working on a program to remedy this condition.

sophie

Diotima : your turn.

It's nice to see you do have interests in life. I am glad you have thought it necessary to JREF my argument (whatever that means hijacking perhaps). In the communication of knowledge, one first has to help the observer understand, before the observer can claim to know.


Your likes and dislikes are irrelevant to me.. . What is vague today will form an understanding in your mind tomorrow (mabye). It is not important to me if I get away with it. What is important to me is to stop the spreading of these confounded forms of logic to account for reality.

Exactly I absolutely agree, but adding possibilities of causation to these facts necessitates firm understanding, which I do not believe you nor the good humble kind concerned Docter X posess.

I have never lost sight of the facts. If you read the posts carefully, I have a far stricter view of evil than <flame deleted - liv> Docter X.

Thanks for the suggestions. Those suggestions which my subjective understanding can appreciate upon them I will surely act.

Diotima

Now people, you must admit that I have real psychic powers!!!

I predicted every revelation posted by prophetess Sophie above!