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Old 02-25-2003, 02:25 PM   #11
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And another tidbit to prove Jesus did in fact exist.

Archaeologists found the supposed tomb of Jesus' brother with an inscription talking about James and Jesus.

So Jesus did in fact exist unless we are gonna dispute the accuracy of archaeology now.
Actually, as far as I am aware, the tomb is still being examined, and archaeologists have yet to come to a conclusion...
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But since over 500 people saw Jesus living after his crucifiction, i don't think they all suffered from delusions and histeria.

This is probably something that's been covered in another thread.

However, what we know is that someone,an unknown author, probably not an eyewitness to the event, wrote down, decades after the events he was describing, that about 500 people witnessed the risen Jesus.

No names for the mysterious 500 are given (other than the disciples et al who purportedly witnessed these events).

So, you're correct; the 500 may not have been suffering from delusions and hysteria. It's as, actually more, likely that they didn't exist, and were written in to embellish the story.
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This article is probably not what you were looking for, but it is one of my favorites. The author calls it an "admittedly far-fetched thought-experiment," but it may in fact be a sly parody of biblical criticism gone haywire (or is it?)

Was Jesus John the Baptist Rose from the Dead?
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Can't prove it to you since you claim the eyewitness testimony of the Bible is false.

And another tidbit to prove Jesus did in fact exist.

Archaeologists found the supposed tomb of Jesus' brother with an inscription talking about James and Jesus.

So Jesus did in fact exist unless we are gonna dispute the accuracy of archaeology now.
First of all, it wasn't an archeologist, it was an looter or unauthorized antiquities dealer. Second, it wasn't a tomb, it was an ossuary (a bone box). Third, James, Jesus and Joseph were common names, and there is nothing on the bone box connecting it to Jesus Christ or his alleged brother James. Fourth, a number of the experts who have looked at it think it was probably a forgery in whole or in part.
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Originally posted by Magus55
And another tidbit to prove Jesus did in fact exist.

Something that's not being denied here, as far as I can tell.

Archaeologists found the supposed tomb of Jesus' brother with an inscription talking about James and Jesus.

"Supposed" is correct. There have been numerous threads on James' ossuary (not tomb) in the BC&A forum, if you wish to go there and look (search for "ossuary"), or start a topic about the current state of the investigation.

So Jesus did in fact exist unless we are gonna dispute the accuracy of archaeology now.

Again, no one has disputed the fact, on this thread, that Jesus probably existed. And as the ossuary is in dispute, it's not yet accepted as evidence of Jesus' existence. Further, Jesus's existence is not the salient qeustion; the important question is was Jesus, and the events surrounding his life, as described in the New Testament? Obviously, even if the ossuary is proved authentic, it is not evidence that supports that one way or the other.
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Actually, as far as I am aware, the tomb is still being examined, and archaeologists have yet to come to a conclusion...
They have yet to come to a conclusion that James was in fact buried there - the inscription is written on the tomb in Aramaic and there are no doubts about its meaning. It says,

"Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yoshua," or “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.”
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Argument from ignorance Ad Nauseum.
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They have yet to come to a conclusion that James was in fact buried there - the inscription is written on the tomb in Aramaic and there are no doubts about its meaning.
You don't listen very well. See The Experts and the Ossuary.
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