trillian

Morality Check:
Maybe this is futile but....I've seen many religious sites which refer to these "Moral Absolutes"- and that God reveals them in the Bible. I also notice that they claim that one reason atheists dismiss god is so that they do not have to adhere to them.

What the HECK are they exactly? If god reveals them, shouldn't there be a explicitly clear list?

I've read the Bible and cannot, without severe reinterpretation, consider the "commandments" as MAs for today. Even if I did, I find that God and Jesus violate several of them and reward others who also violate them so they're not really MA. If they were MA's shouldn't they transend time and culture without any need for editing out or redefining the "now immoral" bits?

So where are these MA scriptures that they refer to and we, in contemporary society, are supposed to live by?

I'm soooo confused!!!!

happyboy

the only "moral absolute" the bible preaches is total and abject obedience to God. if God says something that violates a previous commandment in either the old or new testament, a true believer does not question. the true believer simply obeys.

happyboy

Psycho Economist

God's eternal moral absolutes consist of whatever God (speaking through your pastors, of course) wants to condemn or reward on any particular day.

Seriously, when I was going to church, I tried to figure out what the ultimate rules of right and wrong were: I was very preoccupied with being a good kid... still am. But you won't find any clues to absolute right and wrong in "God's word".

Just like religion generally, it's just a vehicle for contriving some authority to tell you to do what you already think is appropriate to do.

dk

That being the case why did God create evil?

happyboy

i don't know. your God is arbitrary and cruel beyond belief. i don't even think that assuming that the christian God exists, that satan exists. i think your God fills the "lord of evil" category quite nicely.

happyboy

dk

For I guy that says, "I don't know", you have some pretty strong opinions. When I don't know, I tend not to have a proportionally light opinion on the matter. Do you think its reasonable or right for people that "don't know", to harbor such strong malicious opinions.

happyboy

unfortunately for you, i've read the bible. i know the horrors that are in that book.

a very angry happyboy

dk

Unfortunate for me? What an odd statement. Its almost as if you intend some harm to come my way. Is that reasonable, or right? How do you rationalize or justify such animosity towards a complete stranger? Is that what your mother taught you, to hate strangers?

Psychic

What?! Are you threatening the guy? Happyboy you’d better watch where are you stepping! Some moderators will know about this.

And how dare you talk about something as “Your god”! do you mean dk’s god?! That’s an unforgivable affront.
You know it’s a cool thing to disregard everybody else’s god, the god that sent you the bible, quran and the other stuff. Only then to make up a god of your own out of your sheer imagination, then put some rules and the next thing you start your prayers and worship! How cool. !

The lord of Evil IS your god wither you like it or not, the modified god you are trying to create to fill the gaps has no basis other than your own imagination! I thought discovering the flaws of religion merits becoming familiar with the story behind existence. This is the first time for meet to encounter such “customize-your-own-god” philosophy. Even Deists have some principles about god that most of them agree on!!

happyboy

*long, tired sigh* i'm not threatening anyone. dk made comments about how i didn't have any basis for my arguments, so i said, "unfortunately for you, i've read the bible," inferring that it was unfortunate for his asinine argument that i had no base upon which to rest my argument about God.

a very tired happyboy