mark9950

Knowing now that jesus was a lawbreaker does not do well with me.

Rational BAC

How is it possible for a God to be a lawbreaker? God makes the laws. And can change them anytime He wants to.

It is good to be God.

mark9950

Of motion laws of gravity laws of physics if any of these physical laws are broken than chaos and destruction will happen.

Jesus live as a man under laws of the jews in his time.

The jews did not believe he was God.He did not convince them.

If he was to blaspheme or brake a law he would have to pay a penalty.

He claimed he was God when he was in the eyes of the jews not God,so he was found guilty of blasphemy by the sanhedrin and a death sentence was passed.

I cannot make it any simpler.

Gothic_J

miracles break the laws of nature, too. consider how many laws had to be broken for the ark to occur?

Darth Dane

In any society with rules/law, we have someone upholding the Law, we call them "police".

The funny thing is when teh police sees someone driving to fast, they to drive to fast, read: BREAKING THE LAW(there are other examples), but do you have the same attitude towards them?

Jesus was a police officer in that sense, and thus LICENSED to break the law to uphold it.


Miracles are not contrary to nature, they are contrary to what we know about nature - St. Augustine






DD - Love & Laughter

yelyos

No, the police are not breaking the law. There are provisions within the law to allow police to legally catch speeders.

Moot point.

Darth Dane

There are provisions within the law to allow police to legally catch speeders.

There are provisions within the law of God to allow "prophets"/messengers of God, to legally catch offenders.


If we don't fully understand the spiritual laws, how can we know if Jesus followed them or not?







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DoubleDutchy

Why ? Laws against blasphemy assume that Gods are in need of legal protection, a rather blasphemous idea if you come to think about it. Consequently Roman law stated clearly that insults to the Gods were left over to the Gods to retaliate upon, in Rome Jesus wouldn't have had any trouble. Though we have not quite regained this level of common sense during the last 2000 years, we are still making progress. You can't expect civilisation to spread overnight.

Kenneth

Beautiful Law.

I have always heard that Ancient Romans are the greatest law makers, and Now I am convinced.

jfryejr

What provisions? Has god ever told a prophet to start a brothel to catch prostitutes? Find a prophet who didn't uphold god's law...and then read on to where he was punished for not doing so. This includes Jesus, if you accept him as a prophet/messiah.

Centuries of prophets and then god comes down incarnate...how long before he, the all powerful, is able to communicate what he wants. Makes me believe more and more that if there is a god, he's a she (that's my mini-rant against my wife never knowing what she wants to eat!).

If you mean laws that relate to souls/gods and not the physical incarnation of man, where is a reference to the spiritual laws even existing?

If you're arguing metaphysically, what relationship do jesus/god have to the creation of spiritual laws and to what degree are they bound by them?

DD, I'm not sure if you're making a scriptual argument or a metaphysical/philosophical argument. Do you have scriptual references for what you're saying? Or is what you're trying to say more like:
Perhaps there are provisions within the law of God to allow "prophets"/messengers of God to legally catch offenders. Which comes across a little more philosophically...

Although, I think the use of the word "law" implies a reference to Jewish law, which is what would have applied to Jesus' relationship with god. There's no argument that Jesus was bound to god by Jewish law. He disobeyed that law by breaking the sabbath. Even excluding the sabbath laws, he claimed to be able to forgive sins, he refused to stone an adulteress, he claimed to be Yaweh (although mostly in John), and he claimed to be a prophet and his prophesies failed. The Jews were punished as a nation when they continued to disobey god's law. It was there duty to stone those who disobeyed god's law or suffer the consequences of god's wrath as a people.

The "I desire mercy, not sacrifice" is nice saying, but when you read the OT law god also demanded "justice". The execution of Jesus was nothing but justice in the eyes of the Jew. He thus failed to fulfill another messianic prophesy in that he was not blameless.