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Old 03-08-2003, 12:40 PM   #61
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after receiving her prayer language at age 11.

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If she did I feel sorry for her. Shame on you.
 
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Sorry to interrupt, but Fenton, this made me *literally* LOL. Really loud. Scared my dog!!!

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Hmm, off the top of my head some of things Catholics follow/believe in that aren't scriptural ( i.e its heresy and false doctrine under the Bible).

*Immaculate Conception ( Mary was sinless)
*Pope infallible ex Cathedra ( "from the chair") - meaning when the Pope speaks from Peter's chair, he can't be in error.
*Mary is the Queen of Heaven
*Assumption of Mary ( she was raised into heaven like Jesus after the ressurection as opposed to dying)
*Baptism in water required for salvation
*No non-catholics can be saved.
*Mary should be prayed to, and they consider her at or above the level of Jesus.
*Praying to images and statues isn't a sin
*The rosary
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Bible reading is not required for salvation nor is it encouraged by the church. Further to your comments, hell is for protestants only which is not to say that all protestants go to hell. This message is implied with "the fullness of salvation is for Catholics only." This means that salvation itself is not for Catholics only because many are called to enter the race. Those who "enter the race" enter the purgation period and only those who complete the race enter heaven (which follows does it not?). We don't object to the millions of protestants that enter the race but only wish that they would finish the race and not die with the burning desire to finish the same. We/I regard willing to die while burning with the desire to be raised equal to hell on earth because the purgation period should never be more than 42 months (Rev.1214, 13:5 and others).
 
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Speaking of esoteric interpretations. I bet you can't even find half your theories in the Catholic Encyclopedia, Amos.

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Oh it happened quite without any help from her parents, I assure you. I guess the Holy Spirit just wanted her to actually know God in a real and personal way before condemning her to purgatory.

"We are the people of God, and ya'll are gonna burn."

Criminy. You'd condemn an 11 year old to purgatory if she died tomorrow, wouldn't you Amos?

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So, purgatory is for catholics only right? So I'm guessing this was made after protestantism was created? I'd think that something that kept someone from going to hell would be one of the first things that protestants would hang on to when splitting from catholicism. That's just my thought pattern, if it was created before then my question is why the protestants didn't take it with them.
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I guess the Holy Spirit just wanted her to actually know God in a real and personal way before condemning her to purgatory.

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Bullshit, the angel of light handing out goodies to little girls and you like it. I would let her be a young girl and not worry about where she would go if she died tomorrow. Btw, you don't really think you're going any place do you?
 
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That's just my thought pattern, if it was created before then my question is why the protestants didn't take it with them.
They took what for many would become hell and out of this suffering the hope and assurance of heaven would emerge because they deserved. Deserved it? Heck, many think they've earned it!
 
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So, purgatory is for catholics only right? So I'm guessing..
Indeed you are. I've said many times here I believe in purgatory, because of considerable scriptural support. (Not the least of which is Paul saying some are saved "as through fire" ). Lewis believed in it as many Anglicans do. Whether it exists is not relevant. Whether Amos would condemn an 11 year old to it out of hand is the question. Perhaps he will tell us next that Catholics are immune to it. Is that right Amos? Purgatory is just for Protestants?

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That was not the issue either, was it?

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Perhaps he will tell us next that Catholics are immune to it. Is that right Amos? Purgatory is just for Protestants?

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Not at all. The difference is that Catholics know how to get through purgatory because we have Mary as our guide through purgatory along with the prayers of the faithfull and the communion with the saints in heaven. Period!

Please don't read anything for me on this but Catholic theology is full of purgatory stuff and our art works shows how many saints came full circle and always recognized the above in their journey through the purgation period. We now have Lente as an example of it. Protestants are still divided on whether to celebrate Easter or not. Why? Because they never get past the phrase "I am saved, are you?"
 
 

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