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sourdough · 11-27-2002, 04:49 PM

supose there was god,he knows he exists,therefore has no need to believe and worship another god,
so he/she/it is an atheist.
what say you?

Fiach · 11-27-2002, 05:18 PM

If a God really exists then he cannot be an Atheist. Whether he worships another god or not is irrelevant. Atheism is the absence of belief in any and all gods. So if God is an Atheist he must believe that he himself doesn't exist. If he is actually thinking this problem over, then he is as crazy as a loon.

Fiach

Amie · 11-27-2002, 09:12 PM

...nice try sourdough...

Agricola Senior · 11-27-2002, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fiach:
 Atheism is the absence of belief in any and all gods.

Atheism is the absence of belief in any superior being. For God there is no superior being, therefore he must be an "atheist".
He/she/it would be an atheist in the same sense as I am.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Agricola Senior ]

joedad · 11-27-2002, 10:19 PM

Quote:

sourdough:
supose there was god,he knows he exists,therefore has no need to believe and worship another god,
so he/she/it is an atheist.
what say you?

I think there's some wiggle-room here.

How does one know whether another person or another god "believes" or not? Atheism/theism has to be quantifiable in some way I would think, despite the rhetoric.

If this god of yours doesn't worship a higher power, doesn't pray, doesn't frequent sacred buildings and recite sacred writings or sing sacred songs, maybe by those standards and others your god is still an atheist.

It all depends on the "god" I guess. What's that? Do we have a list of ten qualifications for being a god somewhere, so that any entity scoring a seven is a god?

joe

rebelnerd · 11-27-2002, 11:27 PM

I guess it would all depend on whether "god" was aware that s/he/it was a "god." If this god was aware of itself being a god, I would argue it would not be an atheist. If though it was not aware itself was a god, it could be an atheist.

My little mind spins....

Filo

Zadok001 · 11-28-2002, 05:47 AM

Agricola Senior:

That can't be the definition of atheist. I'm convinced my English Prof is superior to me in every imaginable way - Thus, he is a 'higher being,' and I am a theist? Eh, no. Theism or atheism only requires the (dis)belief in a DEITY.

The question orients on whether God knows He's a God. One presume he does, given his penchant for biblical ranting.

Infinity Lover · 11-28-2002, 06:20 AM

Don't we have the power to create a universe we can bend and shape to our liking? A realm seperate of our timeframe, one we can't physicly exist in, even though we know of and affect every aspect of it?

Ever written a story?

Zadok001 · 11-28-2002, 07:54 AM

That would be the power to put pen to paper. Creating a 'world' in our minds is not creating a world. Unless you assume that our thoughts shape reality directly, in which case my paper on the Ethics of Time Travel is already done and I don't have to deal with it. Or not.

Jobar · 11-28-2002, 03:05 PM

God is an atheist, and I am lying to you when I tell you it's so.

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11-27-2002, 05:18 PM	#2
Fiach Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 602	If a God really exists then he cannot be an Atheist. Whether he worships another god or not is irrelevant. Atheism is the absence of belief in any and all gods. So if God is an Atheist he must believe that he himself doesn't exist. If he is actually thinking this problem over, then he is as crazy as a loon. Fiach

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Amie Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York Posts: 1,626	...nice try sourdough...

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rebelnerd Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: 47°30'27" North, 122°20'51" West - Folding@Home Posts: 600	I guess it would all depend on whether "god" was aware that s/he/it was a "god." If this god was aware of itself being a god, I would argue it would not be an atheist. If though it was not aware itself was a god, it could be an atheist. My little mind spins.... Filo

11-28-2002, 05:47 AM	#7
Zadok001 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Steps Ahead Posts: 1,124	Agricola Senior: That can't be the definition of atheist. I'm convinced my English Prof is superior to me in every imaginable way - Thus, he is a 'higher being,' and I am a theist? Eh, no. Theism or atheism only requires the (dis)belief in a DEITY. The question orients on whether God knows He's a God. One presume he does, given his penchant for biblical ranting.

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Infinity Lover Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,047	Don't we have the power to create a universe we can bend and shape to our liking? A realm seperate of our timeframe, one we can't physicly exist in, even though we know of and affect every aspect of it? Ever written a story?

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Zadok001 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Two Steps Ahead Posts: 1,124	That would be the power to put pen to paper. Creating a 'world' in our minds is not creating a world. Unless you assume that our thoughts shape reality directly, in which case my paper on the Ethics of Time Travel is already done and I don't have to deal with it. Or not.

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Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	God is an atheist, and I am lying to you when I tell you it's so.

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