Ronin

Yet, you have shown yourself very emotionally attached to this topic in several of your more ranting posts to include flaming me.

I was merely pointing out that this occurs, as we are not automatons, in order to calm your quandry regarding the visceral responses you have gotten and may still get from others which honestly do seem to detract from approaching this topic with any sensibility.

Sounds like you have more of an issue with the 'stigma and fear' provided by the religious traditions that so often supercede the rational secular laws regarding personal sovereignty, liberty and consent of a minor.

Looks like we are of mutual agreement that such oppressive religious traditions are a violation against human dignity in so many ways.

Now, if you can commit to stating that any sexual contact by an adult with a child (defined for our purposes by legislative statute) is child sexual abuse, then I feel it would go far to mediate any untoward misperceptions some may have of you in this forum.

I see that you will continue to avoid answering very simple and direct questions regarding your stated issues.

That behavior is a detriment to intellectual and honest debate and will only hinder finding the very resolutions you state as your aim.

Amen-Moses

Well Ronin it looks like we're going nowhere except in circles, I say that mental development is a product of education and experience and you say that the mental development must come before the education and experience so we have a catch-22 situation. Personally I can't see a way out of the impasse so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Amen-Moses

HelenM

Fr Andrew, in my opinion, doing what you are doing - i.e. 'asking questions' about adult-child sex but then denying you are defending or advocating adult-child sex in any way - is like getting in your car and driving but denying you're going anywhere.

In other words it doesn't make sense; it's not logical; it's not true. You're essentially denying responsibility for the consequences of asking the questions you're asking. Maybe you think asking questions has no consequences. I think you're very wrong and I'm disappointed you don't see it.

I'm not sure there's any point in further discussion until you take responsibility for the possible consequences of asking the questions you're asking. I try to respect everyone but I find it very disappointing when people deny responsibility for their own actions - and their actions include the questions they ask.

Helen

Mad Kally

Helen,
Trying to reason with Fr Andrew is like trying to reason with a delusional schizophrenic. It goes in circles and it's like trying to bail out the ocean with a little paper cup. He thinks 7 year olds enjoy being nutured in a sexual way. We don't. I'm not talking about teenagers or horny Bonobo monkeys. We are literally talking to a wall. He continues his rationalizations, etc. and he will continue until his dying breath. My only hope is that he is not around young children and has not acted on his fantasies.


Kally

The Other Michael

As Amen-Moses pointed out, Since the thread seems to be getting to the point similar threads usually seem to hit (everyone hardened in their positions and no real discussion going on) I'm going to close it before it deteriorates farther.

cheers,
Michael
MF&P Moderator, First Class