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tgamble · 03-14-2002, 09:52 AM

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Why would anyone allow the discovery of the ages to be "wrapped up in some drawer" and nobody allowed to see it? If the Shroud of Turin, (which is a Catholic fake) was actually authentic, don't you think we would know it? Of course, we would. All these wonderments and suspicions and "we're not not sure what this is" discoveries leads anyone with even a reasonable thinking mind to conclude that nobody knows anything for sure. It is all speculation and conjecture.

I don't place confidence in a million scientists, much less one. God said in the Bible not to put confidence in man, and I understand why he said that.Man's nature and conscience cannot be trusted.

Evolutionists will disagree on this, but evolution caused Hitler's nazism and marx's communism. Evolution has caused and promoted racism and it has been the reason many view others as less than themselves.

I heard with my own ears Matt Hale being interviewed by one of the major networks say that blacks had not finished evolving yet. This man looks evil because he is evil and he hates anyone who is not exactly like him and according to him and those who believe like him, evolution is what is happening and some are more evolved than others.

To believe this is to believe there is no God, no love and no hope.

Before tgamble lets me have it with both barrels, let him find out that what I say is true. Consider what evolution has done in the minds of those who believe it and their deeds follow their beliefs.

Darwinism is the basis for all this ungodly thinking. Before Darwin made his so called "discovery" people believed they were accountable to God for their actions, but now those who believe evolution believe they are nothing more than a product of chance, that there is no God we will answer to. We can eat, drink, and be merry and tomorrow we die and after we die, there is nothing more.

God said "So then everyone of us shall give an account of himself to God."(Romans 14:12) Darwin knew there is a God, but it was after his travels, after he saw other races for the first time, namely blacks, that he came up with his distorted views of man's beginnings. I've read many quotes by Darwin and his contemporaries and they were all against the statues of God. It fueled even more the fire of evil that is manifest in this country by people such as Matt Hale, who is a believer in evolution.

The fossil record shows clearly that they were all fully developed humans or animals. Not even one shows evolution taking place. Not even one. One can only conclude that if there is no proof of transition, then it is because there is nothing changing.

To believe that man came from reptiles and reptiles evolved from birds and birds from fish is to believe that there is no God. The obvious design in the universe speaks of God. The Psalm says, "The heavens are telling the glory of God." They speak of God, not against him.

You said why is it impossible to believe that God used evolution to make us. His Word says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1) Without the Bible, we have nothing.

We have to have a canon. To take away our Bible is to take away Christ and if you take away Christ, then you take away our only hope, and if you take away our only hope, you take away our very reason to live, and if we have no reason to live, then we must die and if we die, then we must face alone an unknown future and if an unknown future, an unknown beginning and if an unknown beginning, then it could be only evil waiting for us beyond the veil.

Thank God that through Christ, we have hope of eternal life with the God who made us for his own glory.

I will stand for what is true, not what some backslidden, reprobate named Darwin came up with because he was a confused and discontented misfit who roamed the world wondering of things too high for anyone to understand, and instead of trusting God went to the devil himself and recieved in himself the reward for his own debacled brain's concievings and caused the weak and confused like himself to follow a religion called evolution.

I have read every post, and if you cannot see what I see, then that is the way it is, but never will I deny the existence of King Jesus. I know that Jesus is real.

Because I do not agree with you and tgamble, then you conclude that I must be wrong, but it is the evolutionist who is wrong,wrong,wrong. You have presented no proof that God is non existent and that we are here by chance and that we came from animals.

The fossil record shows nothing transitional. No evolution is taking place. All things remain as they were from the beginning as Peter said.

My personal favorite part has to be "man came from reptiles and reptiles evolved from birds and birds from fish"
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Daggah · 03-14-2002, 09:57 AM

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people believed they were accountable to God for their actions

Which, of course, is why Christians can pray for their forgiveness and that's that.

Darwin's Finch · 03-14-2002, 10:21 AM

"All these wonderments and suspicions and "we're not sure what this is" discoveries leads anyone with even a reasonable thinking mind to conclude that nobody knows anything for sure. It is all speculation."

and,

"I don't place confidence in a million scientists, much less one. God said in the Bible not to put confidence in man, and I understand why he said that. Man's nature and conscience cannot be trusted."

and,

"...but never will I deny the existence of King Jesus. I know that Jesus is real."

There's nothing like a fundie Christian: Pyrrhonism and extreme credulity rolled up into one package without a trace of cognitive dissonance. If these poor fuckers didn't exist, we'd have to invent them, if only for amusement.

Queen of Swords · 03-14-2002, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by a nut:
reptiles evolved from birds and birds from fish

Must have been flying fish.

Peregrine · 03-14-2002, 12:43 PM

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I heard with my own ears Matt Hale being interviewed by one of the major networks say that blacks had not finished evolving yet. This man looks evil because he is evil and he hates anyone who is not exactly like him and according to him and those who believe like him, evolution is what is happening and some are more evolved than others.

Matt Hale is a leader of the Church of the Creator a white supremicist fundamentalist xian group looking to ignite a race war.

Hell of a person to use to support your notion that evolution is racist.

Late_Cretaceous · 03-14-2002, 12:46 PM

Whoa, boy am I glad that I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read that one (would of spewed it all over my keyboard)!

Mageth · 03-14-2002, 12:50 PM

We have to have a canon. To take away our Bible is to take away Christ and if you take away Christ, then you take away our only hope, and if you take away our only hope, you take away our very reason to live, and if we have no reason to live, then we must die and if we die, then we must face alone an unknown future and if an unknown future, an unknown beginning and if an unknown beginning, then it could be only evil waiting for us beyond the veil.

This has to be one of the most ... damn I can't even think of the right word for it! Incomprehensible? Ridiculous? Illogical? Stupid? Laughable? All of the above?

Ah! I've got it! "Steaming pile of bullshit."

Don't ever take a bible away from a christian. It'll kill him!

Aethernaut · 03-14-2002, 01:23 PM

Later in that thread, this is the statement that gets me:

"Maybe I'm not understanding what evolution is at all. I was taught it is a religion that worships creatures and denies the Creator."

The level of ignorance is astounding, to say the least. Who is teaching them this crap?

-SK

Kosh · 03-14-2002, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's Kitten:
<strong> Who is teaching them this crap?
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Your property tax dollars at work!

Remember though..... it's a bell curve.

never been there · 03-14-2002, 04:01 PM

We've heard this many times before:

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We have to have a canon. To take away our Bible is to take away Christ and if you take away Christ, then you take away our only hope, and if you take away our only hope, you take away our very reason to live, and if we have no reason to live, then we must die and if we die, then we must face alone an unknown future and if an unknown future, an unknown beginning and if an unknown beginning, then it could be only evil waiting for us beyond the veil.

Just because you lack the brains or the imagination to come up with a reason to live based on mere reality, doesn't meant there isn't one.

Hey! Mere Reality would be a great title for a response to C.S. Lewis!

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03-14-2002, 10:21 AM	#3
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	"All these wonderments and suspicions and "we're not sure what this is" discoveries leads anyone with even a reasonable thinking mind to conclude that nobody knows anything for sure. It is all speculation." and, "I don't place confidence in a million scientists, much less one. God said in the Bible not to put confidence in man, and I understand why he said that. Man's nature and conscience cannot be trusted." and, "...but never will I deny the existence of King Jesus. I know that Jesus is real." There's nothing like a fundie Christian: Pyrrhonism and extreme credulity rolled up into one package without a trace of cognitive dissonance. If these poor fuckers didn't exist, we'd have to invent them, if only for amusement.

03-14-2002, 12:46 PM	#6
Late_Cretaceous Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Alberta Posts: 1,049	Whoa, boy am I glad that I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read that one (would of spewed it all over my keyboard)!

03-14-2002, 12:50 PM	#7
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	We have to have a canon. To take away our Bible is to take away Christ and if you take away Christ, then you take away our only hope, and if you take away our only hope, you take away our very reason to live, and if we have no reason to live, then we must die and if we die, then we must face alone an unknown future and if an unknown future, an unknown beginning and if an unknown beginning, then it could be only evil waiting for us beyond the veil. This has to be one of the most ... damn I can't even think of the right word for it! Incomprehensible? Ridiculous? Illogical? Stupid? Laughable? All of the above? Ah! I've got it! "Steaming pile of bullshit." Don't ever take a bible away from a christian. It'll kill him!

03-14-2002, 01:23 PM	#8
Aethernaut Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 422	Later in that thread, this is the statement that gets me: "Maybe I'm not understanding what evolution is at all. I was taught it is a religion that worships creatures and denies the Creator." The level of ignorance is astounding, to say the least. Who is teaching them this crap? -SK

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