Darth Dane

No, you won't "find", and that was the point of my post. The most you can find is your own subjective view of reality, which is seperate from reality as a whole.

But I have found, and what I have found is funnily enough the same as countless others have said before me!

Just as the observer affects the experiemnt, we can not say anything about the physcial reality, we face the same problem.

All your thoughts are your thoughts alone. They may or may not have any bearing on actual truth, and in truth, you will never know for sure.

If All is One, then I will find that my perspective is the only perspective.
Imagine that you can stand on top of the mountain, and see all sides at the same time, what was hidden before you reached the top is now revealed.

If you stand on the top, you are defining the sides of the mountain.





DD - Love & Laughter

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You have only thought you have found. If you could get together with all those who thought they found too, you might find you have disagreements about what you mean as the "ultimate reality". If this is the case for at least one of these people (hey, I'll volunteer), you have not found it, because all you can know is your subjective view on reality. Just because 1000 people, or 10000 people, or X people have happened on the same conclusion out of a total T, how does that account for the T - X amount of people who think you are wrong based on their own subjective stance? Even a unanimous conclusion about reality is subject to the limitations placed on homo sapian sapians about "real" knowledge and truth.

The only problem we face is not being able to look outside the "experiment", we are doomed to be in it until death.

And if all is not one, and your subjective view of reality betrays you?

It is a fallacy to think you know everything about a mountian just because you are on the top. You cannot see under it.

But are the sides of the mountain defining the whole truth about the mountain? What about what is inside the mountain, and why do you feel what is inside the mountain irrelevant? Whatever the case, you eliminate the inside of the mountain based on your subjective view of what reality is.

Darth Dane

You have only thought you have found.

NO I have found it is you who can't see what I see, just as in others areas you see things I don't see....perhaps?

If you could get together with all those who thought they found too, you might find you have disagreements about what you mean as the "ultimate reality"

I might, but we will all agree that there is just One Reality, WHAT Realtity IS is another question.

If this is the case for at least one of these people (hey, I'll volunteer), you have not found it, because all you can know is your subjective view on reality. Just because 1000 people, or 10000 people, or X people have happened on the same conclusion out of a total T, how does that account for the T - X amount of people who think you are wrong based on their own subjective stance? Even a unanimous conclusion about reality is subject to the limitations placed on homo sapian sapians about "real" knowledge and truth.

Indeed, but the conclusion I talk about can't be reached by talking about it you have to go there and experience it.
I can say it was good and amazing I understood somehow, but you will ask how was it good how did you understand?
But if I have tasted an orange and say it is good and amazing and I understand better what the orange is, then how will you find out except by taking a bite?


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Just as the observer affects the experiemnt, we can not say anything about the physcial reality, we face the same problem.
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The only problem we face is not being able to look outside the "experiment", we are doomed to be in it until death.

Imagine death is part of the experiement!


And if all is not one, and your subjective view of reality betrays you? If it turns out that I am wrong I will be happy because then I will know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free as the saying goes. Either way IF it occurs or not I will know the Truth


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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Imagine that you can stand on top of the mountain, and see all sides at the same time, what was hidden before you reached the top is now revealed.
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It is a fallacy to think you know everything about a mountian just because you are on the top. You cannot see under it.

I didn't say I would everything about the mountain, I said what was hidden before because of your lower vantage point is now revealed. Those who stood on the other side and said that they had found the Truth even though you knew you were on the right side of Reality and that that was the Truth. You point towards the top and say "the top is like this" and the other guys says "no it is like this" You know you are right because the examination of the ground beneath said this, the plants said this, the way the wind was on your side is like this and so on. The other guys have slightly different plants and so on.

When you reach the top you will see how the other guys view is correct even though your side is different, because you see that both sides is part of defining the mountain.

Admitted some times some people point to a top further down, and out-cropping, but this also is part of the entire mountain.

But are the sides of the mountain defining the whole truth about the mountain?

No, not necessarily

What about what is inside the mountain, and why do you feel what is inside the mountain irrelevant? Whatever the case, you eliminate the inside of the mountain based on your subjective view of what reality is.

As said before I am not saying what the mountain Is here, I am saying That it Is.

If you want to know the whole mountain you have to become it.




Some say that Love is the mountain.

Others Light(fits with quantum physics)


What do you think the mountain Is?







DD - Love & Laughter

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Again, another fallacy. Here you assume that the mountain knows everything about itself just because it exists as a mountain. This is not the case, unless you knew you were made up of internal organs without someone else telling you that you were.