SecularFuture

VICTORY IN FLORIDA TEXTBOOK BATTLE
"For the past year Creation Science Evangelism [CSE] has been engaged a battle to have the Florida Department of Education enforce the provisions of Chapter 1006, Florida Statutes, which requires that instructional materials utilized in the public school system in Florida contain accurate information. CSE has invested a great deal of time and resources in this campaign and we are pleased to announce that God, in his faithfulness, has granted a victory in this battle.

We were notified by the Department of Education, that Glencoe/McGraw-Hill has admitted the errors contained in their text books Biology: The Dynamics of Life (1999) and Biology: The Living Systems (1998), and have taken the necessary steps to rectify the errors in those textbooks. We give the glory and praise to the Lord for allowing us to combat the evils of evolution through CSE and are so grateful for His loving faithfulness as we proclaim the truth of Creator and creation. In the next few weeks we will be posting the state-by-state laws for opting you child out of classes and the laws and procedures for challenging errors in the textbooks in your state on the CSE website.

Thank you for your continued prayerful and financial support of this ministry."

---- http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=victories

SecularFuture

"President Bush is taking the first step in banning all abortion procedures and ultimately banning abortion."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in557114.shtml

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This post and the post above are just two of the MANY examples of the things that the religionists are doing to kill science, choice, and our rights as human beings!

SecularFuture

WE NEED TO BECOME AS DETERMINED, AND AS PASSIONATE AS THE RELIGIONISTS!! :banghead:

but not as crazy or as stupid....


How to Help Secularism
1) Become open about your secular views
2) Help clear up the many misconceptions about secularism and the macroevolution theory
3) Be a good person (show the religionists that secularists aren't as crazy as they are!)

Arken

Although I am not in favor of the partial-birth abortion ban, I think this quote from that article is a little over-the-top. Banning a single procedure is not the first step in banning all procedures and there is no legal way to ban all procedures thanks to Roe v. Wade.

Sensationalist statements like that do not help the pro-choice side.

Furthermore, abortion is not necessarily a religion/secular issue. I've met theists both pro-life and pro-choice and atheists both pro-life and pro-choice. There are perfectly valid reasons why an atheist may be pro-life.

Elora

So who's going to take this Florida creation-science mistake to the courts? Surely the science teachers, and anyone who studied science in college, will want to rectify this! :banghead:

Oh, Dr. Dino. I should have guessed that lunatic was behind this.

faust

ok, ignoring the insanity that is the first post on that link, and the insanity of the post mentioned, what i want to know is this:

What errors did McGraw-Hill make in the texts? Were they like typos? outdated science? what errors are they referring to?

I couldn't find a list. help.

Toto

Faust:

Secular scientists spend some time criicizing high school science texts. Dr Dino may have been claiming credit for nothing.

See http://www.textbookleague.org/25dynam.htm for example.

Arken:

The whole topic of partial birth abortion was recently discussed in Abortion made illegal? in this forum. The motives of those opposing this misnamed and rare procedure are in fact to ban all abortions.

While there are secularists who oppose abortion, they have not been able to articulate a convincing case to their fellow secularists. The anti-abortion movement has from its inception been sponsored by the Catholic Church, in defense of its doctrine of papal infallibility, and by evangelical Protestants who have used the issue as an organizing device for the religious right. (Abortion rights have been supported by most liberal Protestants and Jews, and by many of the Catholic laity.) This is true even when the arguments are framed in non-religious terms.

Arken

I understand their motives. I wasn't claiming that they were otherwise. I still say that the comment itself is a bit reactionary and over the top.

I am not anti-abortion in any way and have attended many a pro-choice rally, but I can make a wholly-secular anti-abortion argument for you:

A fetus has 46 chromosomes and shares 99.99% of its DNA with all other humans. Therefore, it is human. If it is human, it is entitled to basic human rights which include the right to not be killed.

Sure, but just because all sorts of religious organizations support something shouldn't automatically make it bad. Anti-war movements are often supported in large part by religious organizations. Does this mean that all atheists should never follow anti-war movements?

I am the last person you will ever find saying that there should be less of a separation between church and state. In fact, I think there is far from enough. But am I going to object to something just because religious groups are for it? No. That's just as bad as blind faith in my opinion.

conkermaniac

Actually, we won't need to do anything to ensure that secularism is the future of the Western world (or America, at least). Christianity will undo itself.

From 1990 to 2001, the percentage of people who identified themseves as Christians dropped by a staggering 9%! Even within Christianity, more and more conservatives are converting to liberal ideals, and the number of people who are truly devoted to the cause is also steadily declining.

I am sure that many Christians will doubt whether this rate of 9% will hold true from 2001 to 2012. After all, it seems like most of the people who wanted to "get out" have already escaped. With recent scientific advances, however, I am sure that further evidence against creation and many of the Bible myths will be uncovered, leading to further doubt amongst young Christians.

My opinion is that American public schools are filled to the brim with conservative Christians. There are a few liberals here and there (although the numbers vary depending on the state), but American education is enforcing conservative ideas into teenagers. I remember one year when my Health teacher started praising God in the middle of the class. I could (and I should) have gotten her fired for that.

Arken

Have all religions dropped at that rate or just Christianity? I remembered reading that Islam is on the increase.