7thangel

The Prophesies

I realized as a theist that my faith is incompatible with Christian denominations I knew. I knew of the prophecy about apostasy and believed that it would happen, and in fact, IMO, had happened. I do seek of a church where I could fit myself in but until now I really have not find one. These things did not bother me at all until just recently because of a prophecy that says,
I just realized that the scenario of the prophecy is happening unto the Christians and the Atheists. Atheists sought God after science where they failed and became atheists. Christians preaches signs, instead of the message of the signs, and thus end up with irrational doctrines. God can surely appear anytime to show that He is real, and to show us the right things, but God did not because He want to show that all flesh, without His guidance, cannot really seek the true God. These things happened for us to understand that “no flesh should glory in his presence,” the very concept of predestination being taught by Paul.

But what amazed me most is the prophecy that says:
I cannot help but to think that the atheists, the gentiles who seek God through wisdom and failed, will be the very same people who will have a more perfect knowledge of the godhead. As I understand clearly, atheism is not about hating God(though some of the unlearned act and think so). And being branded “not the people of God,” atheists are the most likely to be the referenced gentiles of the prophecy.

What do you think of these? Will these possible to happen?

As atheist, what do you think is the reason why it would not happen?

Sr. Zonules

:banghead: I think that particular argument is quite silly - you assume that atheists are trying to seek god (or did at one time). Athiests try to AVIOD god, and think of ways to live morally and just WITHOUT god. It would be quite strange for a prophesy to put importance on people who either a.) try to falsify such prophesies or b.) don't even care and are not related to such writings at all. Still, someone could write whatever they want about atheists, but it doesn't make them true.

Mageth

Athiests try to AVIOD god,

Why would I try to avoid something that I lack belief in?

...and think of ways to live morally and just WITHOUT god.

Actually, I do live "morally and just" without god.

Tom Sawyer

I'm of the opinion that lines like these were added into the Bible because even at the time it was written there were people who realized was a load of crap most of it was.

diana

Atheists are "the gentiles who seek God through wisdom and failed." Hm. Interesting way to look at it. I'd consider the "gentile" designation either poetic or arbitrary--since people born into Judaism could just as easily declare their atheism--but I think the rest, at least as far as I'm concerned, is quite accurate. I spent many years trying to make the concept of God make sense intellectually, and failed.

Due to my atheism, I think "the prophesies" are the incoherent babblings of a superstitious and desperate people who needed to believe there was a light at the end of the tunnel.

Greetings, Sr. Zonules. You appear to assume all atheists have the same approach. I'm not trying to aviod god, myself. I've merely acknowledged my lack of belief in a god, which isn't the same thing.

Also, as an atheist, I use reason to determine ethical behavior, and I take responsibility for my decisions. This is juxtaposed with the theist who decides which commandments apply to him and which do not (which makes his approach just as subjective as mine), but who hides behind GodSaidIt instead of taking responsibility for his choices.

That's just my way of saying I don't agree with your last sentence.

7thAngel,

This isn't really an EoG discussion. I'm moving it to a forum better suited for this discourse.

d

7thangel

It is quite silly to avoid God.

Actually, in order that God's preferences be shown not because we are worthy(because we are ALL unworthy), and that He can do all things as He wish(being the creator of all things that exists), he both turned both believers and unbelievers to be unworthy, and then chose whomever we think are not worthy. It is a way of showing God's omnipotence, and that man is by itself under the power of God by showing that "NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY."

In any case, your A & B illustrates that you are a confused atheist.

7thangel

Making just plain opposition does not make a person intelligent.

7thangel

Thank you, Diana.

When I was young, I thought of atheists as devil worshippers. But well, I grew up and learn and be more reasonable to accept that atheists are not people whom to fear because they have evil intentions, but that their ideology is quite distinct, if not opposed, to theism.

But with regards to intellectuallizing, I just come to understand that, as the prophesy speaks, there is no way I could really convince, nor should I intend to convince, from the rational point of view. It is not because my testimonies do not make sense, but because there is always a reason that the rationality ends into faith. It is just lately, that I came to understand that all my testimonies are of inductive reasoning. That such reasoning are supported through the gospel, or preaching of Jesus Christ. Thus, I submit, that it is not really about being rational at all, because I made good arguments but is just that they are taken lightly.

As to my fellow theists, they have been to literal of the bible that they posit a more dangerous ideology than relativism. Especially with regards to Hell and the Trinity. With that they fail to really preach the right godhead. They themselves stumbled to the preashicng of the gospel of Christ.

To understand the godhead, it does not need that all things be good in the sight of those being persuaded. I just realized that the prophesies, like the crucifixion of Jesus, are not as heavenly as we see. But then I realized there are things that should happen outside of self to understand the powers of God in our being. Just like, "how could God prove that it is God who had given our very own mind?" And to the best of my understanding, the prophesies I quoted above is very much suited to prove it.

If apostle Paul was converted to Christianity, who even killed Christians, why not atheists, who are not against God in the very first place? And I guess, there is no way an atheists be convinced but by experiencing miracles themselves; just like Paul. So I guess, I would appeal to those who have intentions to believe in God by asking miracles themselves. I wish you would still have in your heart the hope, and ask when you need Him.

Thanks Diana, though I am hoping specifically atheists to respond unto it.

Magus55

Unfortunately 7thangel, atheists will do anything to disprove prophecy. As i have shown in another thread, Ezekial 36-37 has been fulfilled within the past 50 years and continues to remain true to this day. Yet atheists claim the Jews self-fulfilled something of that magnitude and did it by means completely out of their control.

There is no way to make atheists even question their ideals and think maybe God does exist.

Yellum Notnef

But you'll keep on trying anyway.