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b71 · 04-19-2002, 12:43 AM

I was listening to a fundy radio show the other day, hosted by a local football coach who lost his job for leading team prayers, as they disscussed the "myth" of church-state seperation. The coach seemed to think that homosexuality should be illegal because it is against god's law. One xtian caller asked if working on sundays should be outlawed as well since it was against the 10 comandments, and the the host replied "of course not!" but refused to explain why when pressed by the caller.
Then the show got really fun when a caller explained that all of us "folk" that don't believe that this is a xtian nation need to read up on (hold on to your hats) the Mayflower Compact! Apparently, we have been overlooking the fact that this document takes precedence over the Constitution. She then recited various passages. How convincing. Just remember, when you are talking about our founding fathers, it's George Washinton, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Ben Franklin, and most importantly Miles Standish.

b71 · 04-19-2002, 12:53 AM

P.S. this caller some how forgot to mention that in additon to proclaiming their xtianity and loyalty to god, thus proving that this is a xtian nation; this document also proclaims their status as subjects of Great Britain and their loyalty to King James.

Deadend · 04-19-2002, 04:09 AM

Who is this Myles Standish fellow anyway? He is often mentioned in relation to plans for the destruction of the ruins of the Vrouwekerk (Church of Our Lady) in my home city of Leiden. Apparently he was a patient in the nearby hospital, which would also be demolished along with the church ruins. But what is his significance?

crazyfingers · 04-19-2002, 04:42 AM

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Who is this Myles Standish fellow anyway? He is often mentioned in relation to plans for the destruction of the ruins of the Vrouwekerk (Church of Our Lady) in my home city of Leiden. Apparently he was a patient in the nearby hospital, which would also be demolished along with the church ruins. But what is his significance?

Myles Standish is one of the leaders of the Pilgrims who landed and nested in Plimoth, (Massachusetts) in 1620.

Deadend · 04-19-2002, 07:31 AM

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Myles Standish is one of the leaders of the Pilgrims who landed and nested in Plimoth, (Massachusetts) in 1620.

Really? That�s it? I though he might have done something special, thanks anyway.

simian · 04-19-2002, 07:44 AM

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Really? That�s it? I though he might have done something special, thanks anyway.

Hey, he got the religious wackos out of at least England, and it may have influenced other religious wackos to come to North America. I would think you would be thankful for that.

I forget where I first read this comment, but I love it: "Australia was lucky, they got the criminals - The US got the religious nuts." or something along those lines.

Toto · 04-19-2002, 09:58 AM

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P.S. this caller some how forgot to mention that in additon to proclaiming their xtianity and loyalty to god, thus proving that this is a xtian nation; this document also proclaims their status as subjects of Great Britain and their loyalty to King James.

What would you expect? All True Christians believe that the existing government is ordained by God, and resistance is equivalent to heresy.

Miles Standish is known to generations of American schoolchildren through Wadsworth's fictional poem, <a href="http://members.aol.com/calebj/courtship.html" target="_blank">The Courtship of Miles Standish</a>, which includes the quote "Why don't you speak for yourself, John?". I also recall some parody about Miles Standoffish.

His non-fictional bio is <a href="http://members.aol.com/calebj/standish.html" target="_blank">here.</a>

<a href="http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/mayflow.html" target="_blank">Mayflower Compact</a>:

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In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.

Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia;
. . .

crazyfingers · 04-19-2002, 03:33 PM

By the way, since someone might be wondering, they do, or at least did, spell it Plimoth and not Plymouth.

<a href="http://www.plimoth.org/" target="_blank">Plimoth Plantation</a>

lpetrich · 04-20-2002, 07:05 AM

Citing the example of Myles Standish would likely support some strait-laced form of conservative Protestantism; Pentecostal "speaking in tongues" would be considered evidence of demonic possession, Catholics would be considered idolators, etc.

Daydreamer · 04-22-2002, 07:28 PM

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Then the show got really fun when a caller explained that all of us "folk" that don't believe that this is a xtian nation need to read up on (hold on to your hats) the Mayflower Compact!

*Sighs* Makes me wish I could go back in time 16 generations to my ancestors on the Mayflower and beat some secualar sense into them.

04-19-2002, 12:43 AM	#1
b71 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 21	Miles Standish, Founding Father I was listening to a fundy radio show the other day, hosted by a local football coach who lost his job for leading team prayers, as they disscussed the "myth" of church-state seperation. The coach seemed to think that homosexuality should be illegal because it is against god's law. One xtian caller asked if working on sundays should be outlawed as well since it was against the 10 comandments, and the the host replied "of course not!" but refused to explain why when pressed by the caller. Then the show got really fun when a caller explained that all of us "folk" that don't believe that this is a xtian nation need to read up on (hold on to your hats) the Mayflower Compact! Apparently, we have been overlooking the fact that this document takes precedence over the Constitution. She then recited various passages. How convincing. Just remember, when you are talking about our founding fathers, it's George Washinton, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, Ben Franklin, and most importantly Miles Standish.

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04-19-2002, 12:53 AM	#2
b71 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 21	P.S. this caller some how forgot to mention that in additon to proclaiming their xtianity and loyalty to god, thus proving that this is a xtian nation; this document also proclaims their status as subjects of Great Britain and their loyalty to King James.

04-19-2002, 04:09 AM	#3
Deadend Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 808	Who is this Myles Standish fellow anyway? He is often mentioned in relation to plans for the destruction of the ruins of the Vrouwekerk (Church of Our Lady) in my home city of Leiden. Apparently he was a patient in the nearby hospital, which would also be demolished along with the church ruins. But what is his significance?

04-19-2002, 03:33 PM	#8
crazyfingers Contributor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 13,699	By the way, since someone might be wondering, they do, or at least did, spell it Plimoth and not Plymouth. <a href="http://www.plimoth.org/" target="_blank">Plimoth Plantation</a>

04-20-2002, 07:05 AM	#9
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Citing the example of Myles Standish would likely support some strait-laced form of conservative Protestantism; Pentecostal "speaking in tongues" would be considered evidence of demonic possession, Catholics would be considered idolators, etc.

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