Jonesy

There is plenty of evidence that an
'aura' shines around humans. How then,
once it is formerly discovered, measured, studied and 'physically described' will the
'pure evolutionists' explain its creation through a totally random process?

If some one you think that an 'aura' is a joke - just be 'hypothetical' for a moment - imagine IF the aura has been discovered, and studied in detail and it's 'physical properties' found out - how would evolutionists approach explaining the aura in terms of 'purely random evolution'?

Walter_Mitty

Yes, yes, case in point: if you look real hard, you can see the aura!

Jonesy

you failed the challenge - proving your inability to think for yourself. Verdict: part of the flock and incapable of forming own opinion.

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Walter_Mitty

My apologies to the mods but you just knew someone was going to do it!

Kevin Dorner

Such as... ?

Please provide a citation/reference.

Also, please check your private messages. You can access them in the "my profile" link.

Vibr8gKiwi

This is news to me. Care to provide some of this evidence there is so much of? Also defining what an "aura" is might help also.

Writer@Large

Thia, have you just decided to ignore the last thread you started? Can you not answer for the logical flaw inherent in Chalko's very first proposition?

This is typical Thiaooubian tactics, folks. When you pose the hard questions, Thia just waits a little while, then starts over.

On the topic of auras: do tell. What evidence, outside of Kirlian photography (which has been <a href="http://skepdic.com/kirlian.html" target="_blank">all but discredited as a means of detecting anything other than natural electrical discharge</a>) do you have? And are any of them not written by Dr. Chalko or published through his non-peer-reviewed web journal?

--W@L

pz

Humans (all organisms, actually) emit an "aura" of infrared radiation, water vapor, and small molecules. We can measure it, see it with instruments and our senses, and just generally have no trouble dealing with it in concept or practice. It is a natural property.

On the other hand, if you are talking about the magical "aura" of kirlian photography, ditzy psychics and mediums, and ghostbusters-style crackpottery, that's just a load of putrefying kielbasa. There's nothing to explain, other than the aberrant psychology of frauds and lunatics.

Jonesy

A nice 'summing up' is:

"Systematic scientific investigation has verified the existence of the aura around plants and animals as well as humans. The first camera to
capture its motion was the Kirlian camera, developed in the Soviet Union by Valentina and Semyon Kirlian in the 1930?s. Its study
became popular in the US in the 1970s through work done by Kendal Johnson and Thelma Moss at UCLA. Yale research has built upon
Johnson and Moss? work in determining that disease can be detected before it manifests in the physical body through the study of the
aura?s mysterious luminescence.
Whereas Kirlian Photography is high-voltage process using emulsion plates to photograph the energy field,
ColorVision Aura Imaging Photography is a double-exposure process that allows you to see the aura in all its
vibrant living colors as it surrounds and encompasses you. Scientists say we can influence the ?Life Field? with our
minds and wills. If we can positively impress the aura, can we improve the circumstance of our lives? If so how?
Through the vibrations of color!"

You can then see:

<a href="http://www.kirlian.org/kirlian2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.kirlian.org/kirlian2.htm</a>

<a href="http://www.gdvresearch.com/" target="_blank">http://www.gdvresearch.com/</a>

<a href="http://www.gdvresearch.com/korotkov/index1.html" target="_blank">http://www.gdvresearch.com/korotkov/index1.html</a>


By the way, have you read the article I've referred to? I think it is really important that you read it and then let's see what you have to say about whether the universe was designed or whether it came by chance.

Jonesy

The aura is not visible in vacuum because it is composed of electrons. There is nothing paranormal about auras. The name 'aura' is just 'a name' given to what we naturally observe around the human body. Photographing auras in a vacuum doesn't make sense, since you wouldn't see it - that's bacuase an aura is part of a living person and as such cannot be seen in a vacuum. Again, there is nothing paranormal about the aura.