BibleBelted

Fastfalcon originally posted:

You're killin' me.

Still, we're getting closer to setting some sort of "drop dead" date.

In your other thread in Misc Religion you said "soon could mean thousands of years" and that we would see if we would just "wait."

Now just how long, in your opinion is a generation?

It has already been 54 years since the rebirth of Israel. Please help us nail this date down a little closer, as I keep finding bundles of my children's clothes all over the house and it is giving me anxiety attacks.

Godless Dave

Fastfalcon, how do you know evangelicals aren't some of the deceived Christians? Jim Bakker, Pat Roberston, Jerry Falwell, and Jack Van Impe all would make good false prophets - people claiming to speak for Christ in order to get rich or obtain political power.

Wars have become more frequent since WWI? Read a little history, FF. In the Middle Ages there was always at least one war going on somewhere. The Hundred Years War lasted, well, a hundred years. In the 19th Century the US was almost constantly at war with several American Indian nations, plus wars with Spain, Mexico, and ourselves. Meanwhile the European powers were fighting wars with each other and with the natives of the lands they were colonizing. This is no more warlike a time than 50, 100, 500, or 1000 years ago.

Yes there have been earthquakes and infectious diseases this year. And last year. And the year before that. There have been infectious diseases for 3 or 4 billion years and earthquakes for 5 billion. What's your point?

Yep, many people are killing and persecuting others over differences of religion. Again, that's been going on as long has civilization has existed.

Yep, there are lots of evil people doing bad things to one another, and other people making money off it. But that's nothing new.

No, I don't see that. I see you trying to apply prophesies to current events and drawing outlandish conclusions from that. But those prophesies could have been made to fit the events of the year AD 1900, 1800, 1000, or 40. In fact I'm pretty sure they were.

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BibleBelted

CurtX originally posted:

We know that!

Now explain to us why you can't accept that they were wrong. Then we'll really be getting somewhere.

big d

Fast Falcon says: Well, your very own scriptures beg to differ!

In Romans 10:18; 16:25-26 the apostle said, about 60 A.D., that the gospel had been preached to all the nations in all the world. In Colossians 1:5-7, 23, about 63-64 A.D., he said the gospel had been preached "to every creature under heaven." In Titus 2:11 he said the gospel had appeared to all men. If we are going to accept scripture the Bible says the gospel was preached in the entire world before the fall of Jerusalem! SO then the end should have happened!

I know, I know, God is long suffering and is trying to get as many people saved as possible. But the longer he waits, more people are created and the number of those who will not be saved and will burn in Hell for eternity increases. I guess he should just get off his fanny and get on with it!

Methodissed

The verses listed at the beginning of this thread seem to pose a challenge so significant that it is difficult to dream-up even a flimsy excuse. There are countless other examples of inaccuracies, contractions, absurdities, etc. in the bible. From your message I gather that the bible could say absolutely anything and it wouldn't matter.

You expressed certainty that Jesus and John could not be wrong, but doesn't your understanding of their characters come from the bible? If the bible is inaccurate, couldn't you have formed inaccurate perceptions of Jesus and John - perceptions that you now use to defend the book? (A catch-22.)

Recognizing that a flawed doctrine creates flawed beliefs, doesn't that give cause for serious inquiry. If your beliefs are in fact invalid, don't you want to know?

nogods4me

Is it just me, or when you guys read these gymnastically fantabulous re-interpretations of the bible, that are trying to explain away innacuracies and contradictions, is it in the Jon Lovitz voice, that is always saying "Yeah, that's the ticket." ?

(Meet my wife, eh, Morgan Fairchild, yeah.)

Tristan Scott

I believe it is fairly clear that the prophecies in Revelation were fulfilled in 70 AD. Not so hard when you consider that they were probably written 20 to 30 years later.

Wyrdsmyth

Have any of you theists ever wondered why the prophecies are always so vague? Or spoken of in such poetic, flowery language, that is easily interpretated in different ways? I mean, what good are they, really? Do you think God was being vague on purpose, so you'd have a vague idea of the future, but not an exact knowledge of it?

I always wonder why there can't be a propehcy like: "Revelation 32:14 And then Persia, which the year 1991 after Christ's birth is known as Iraq, will be beaten back by a great power in the West, which you don't know the name of yet, but I'll tell you -- it will be the United States of America. And the American leader Bush will humble the Persian Hussein, but will fail to kill him. So, it will be like wounding the head of a snake, but not killing it."

If God is speaking to the prophets, why couldn't he give them exact names and dates? Why the vagueness? I mean, you have to admit, if God gave prophecies on the level of accuracy as I cite above, that would give them a lot more credence.

Answerer

Well christians always give wrong guesses regarding the identity of the anti-christ.So far, the anti-christ were thought to be Roman Emperor, Mohammand, Hilter,etc.Just who is the next unlucky guy? Anyone care to guess?


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Methodissed

According to 1 John 2:21, most of us on this board are "anti-christs." 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 have similar messages. Considering the actions of fanatical Christians, i.e., abortion bombings/slayings, it might be a good idea to look over one's shoulder from time to time.